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Forum topic by BinghamtonEd posted 10-02-2017 06:04 PM 957 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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BinghamtonEd

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10-02-2017 06:04 PM

So I may have the opportunity to acquire a Delta 34-250 12/14” table saw for a great price (under $200). This is an old machine but it has been maintained very well and has no rust to speak of. The tilt and height adjustments work smoothly, as do their locking wheels. The fence is the stock fence, it works fine, I didn’t measure the rip capacity, but the overall width of the saw from the left-hand table edge to the end of the fence rail is about 78”. It has the arm on the rear that holds the blade guards, and at some point a splitter with anti-kickback prawls was jimmy-rigged on. It does have the 1” arbor installed, which is nice, the 1 1/8” would’ve been a dealbreaker for me, I think. It has both cast iron side extensions, and an insert to fill the rest of the fence rail beyond the cast iron. Also has two stock miter gauges, they are huge.

It is currently on 3-phase, I have a 220 hookup so I will purchase a 3HP single-phase motor for it. Also, it doesn’t have an arbor extension and currently cannot fit a dado set. But, I think I will plan on someday moving my router out of my current router table and into the table saw extension, so that could solve the dado issue for the time being. I do have a dust collection system.

I currently have a Bosch 4100 portable saw and have made do with that for 6 or 7 years, and I figured at some point I would upgrade to a Unisaw or something, but even the prices in the used market have made it prohibitive.

So, all that being said, does anyone have any experience with this saw? Other than the fact that it can’t, without an arbor extension, fit a dado set, and requires 12” blades due to the arbor size, is there any reason not to get this saw? This seems like it could be a table saw to last the long haul for me.

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.


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MrUnix

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#1 posted 10-02-2017 06:13 PM

For that price… it should already be sitting in your garage. And it would cheaper and give you a ton of options not available otherwise to go with a VFD rather than swapping the motor out… if you do swap the motor, you are looking at the price of the motor, plus the modifications necessary to the starter to handle the new motor. A VFD would set you back about $200 and you could sell the existing starter to recover most of that. See this thread over at OWWM for an example:

5 HP 12/14 saw with 3 HP VFD; Rusty's bench started.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: Grizzly has an arbor extension that should fit… see this Wiki entry over at the Vintagemachinery site for details:
Grizzly Parts that will fit the Delta 12-14 Saw

You might also find this one a good read:
Making a new arbor for a Delta/Crescent 12-14 Saw

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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jbswearingen

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#2 posted 10-02-2017 06:21 PM

I’ve used it. It’s an amazing saw. I don’t think you’ll ever throw anything at it that it can’t handle.

It’s heavy. The arbor alone is back breaking for a single person to lift.

It’s a longer reach to the blade than a Unisaw or PM66. Keep that in mind. But it has acres of surface space!

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And to add to what Brad above says: It should already be in your shop, even if only to resell. Now that I have a bigger shop, if one comes up in my area, I’m getting it.

-- Semper fi, Brad

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BinghamtonEd

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#3 posted 10-02-2017 06:35 PM

Hm, I guess I didn’t realize I couldn’t just throw a new motor in there. Looks like this VFD would wire in directly to the motor, and can program the multifunction input the wire in a paddle-style on/off switch.

http://www.factorymation.com/FM50-203-C

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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BinghamtonEd

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#4 posted 10-02-2017 06:42 PM



It s heavy. The arbor alone is back breaking for a single person to lift.
- jbswearingen

Brad, my plan was to take off the rail, extensions, top, motor, for transport in a couple trips. I have a Silverado. I figure the top to be a couple hundred pounds, and the motor to be at least 100. Any more reasonable way to transport this? I guess if I could find someone with a engine hoist, I could rent a uhaul for a day. What would be the best way to hoist this? Would I damage it if I put chains under the sides of the top (under the main top, not the extensions)?

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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TheFridge

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#5 posted 10-02-2017 06:44 PM

That. Is a lifetime saw.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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jbswearingen

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#6 posted 10-02-2017 07:06 PM

An engine hoist is the way to go for both breaking it down and putting it back together.

Go hollar at the folks at www.owwm.org ; search for “Delta 12/14” and you’ll find out how others have done it.

You shouldn’t damage the top by lifting it with a chain. It’s cast iron; just don’t drop it!

A VFD is a great way to go on this; you can add motor breaking through it.

I’m jealous at your fortune!

-- Semper fi, Brad

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#7 posted 10-02-2017 07:12 PM

Break it down into parts and two people should be able to handle it… remove fence, extension wings, table, motor and anything else that will easily unbolt. Here is a comment about moving one from a member over at OWWM:

Well I just got done moving this beast. WOW it’s so heavy. Plenty of guys to load it, but unloading there was just two of us and this thing is no joke. The top, wings and motor were all removed and the base must be close to 450 lbs. Two of us picked it up and out of a pick up bed and set it down without damage to the saw or ourselves.

I would have probably used a couple of 2x’s (2×10’s or whatever was handy) to use as a ramp to slide it out, but brute force appears to work as well :) If you have a trailer with a flip down back gate/ramp, you could probably easily hand cart it in and out. Maybe check with U-haul to see what a daily rental rate is – I don’t think they are too expensive.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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BinghamtonEd

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#8 posted 10-02-2017 07:52 PM

Good information here, thanks guys. I still don’t know if I’ll be able to get the saw, but I think the chances are pretty good (~80%). If I do, I think I’m going to look into removing the fence rails, motor, top and wings. I could rent a low U-Haul trailer with a ramp for about $25, which should make transporting a little easier. I was looking at the 1300lb-rated dolly Grizzly has for about $100, and I think I’ll have one of those waiting back in my garage. I don’t usually find myself breaking down large sheet goods (and I have a circular saw guide for that), so my plan is to position the saw in the center of my 16×20 shop, where my lumber stack currently is. That stack has been there for 2 years, so I know I can deal with having that space occupied.

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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bigblockyeti

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#9 posted 10-02-2017 08:02 PM

For under $200, that’s one heck of a deal! There’s one for sale not too far from me for $600 and if I already didn’t have too many table saws, I’d be all over it even at over 3x the price of the one you can get. I have experience working with an RT-40 which I believe was an evolution of that saw and as previously mentioned, it would easily be a forever saw without a whole lot of work.

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cabmaker

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#10 posted 10-02-2017 09:55 PM

That is my daily user saw…...I don’t understand what your waiting on

Its a great machine

I wouldn’t insult that saw (if u get it) with a cheap fence…..go bies if you replace the jetlock fence

The top with orig extensions will measure 48 X 38 inches

With a 12 inch blade set for 3/4 material you will have 18 3/4 in of surface before contacting the blade

I have 14 in blades but rarely use them.

Go get it !

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AlaskaGuy

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#11 posted 10-02-2017 10:03 PM

I too have a Delta Rockwell 12-14 cabinet that part of my daily routine. No get the hell out of here and go get it.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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jbswearingen

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#12 posted 10-04-2017 05:37 PM

So…any updates?

-- Semper fi, Brad

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BinghamtonEd

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#13 posted 10-05-2017 12:52 PM

No updates so far. I submitted my offer (my work is liquidating things) and it could take a couple days or a couple weeks to hear back. I’m hopeful, in the spring I got my Reliant 3HP dust collector with about 50’+ of hose for $100.

-- - The mightiest oak in the forest is just a little nut that held its ground.

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jbswearingen

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#14 posted 10-05-2017 01:18 PM

Um…can I come visit? I have a trailer.

-- Semper fi, Brad

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