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dakremer

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10-01-2017 04:09 PM

So for those of you following my forum topics on my built-ins…..here is an update….

I’ve got some more shelves to build, and the drawers/doors, but the overall structure is done. Still A LOT of sanding to do, then of course the finishing.

I have a Graco airless (handheld) sprayer that sprays enamel paint really well. It leaves a pretty professional finish. We will be painting these white.

I’m considering venturing into a white lacquer finish instead of paint, to give it a smoother, stronger, more professional finish.

I don’t know anything about spraying lacquer – I’ve never done it (besides the spray can stuff). Would something like the Earlex 5500 be suitable for a job like this? Is tinting the lacquer white pretty straight forward

Any advice on this topic would be appreciated!

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#1 posted 10-01-2017 07:35 PM

bump

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#2 posted 10-01-2017 08:07 PM

Mohawk makes a pre-cat white lacquer. It’s 80 sheen, but you could knock that down with a lower sheen clear lacquer over it. Mohawk makes that too. I haven’t used the white product, but it likely sprays just like any other lacquer and would be no problem for the 5500 you mentioned.

One thing with lacquer is that if it isn’t high in solids, you’ll waste a lot of it trying to build enough to smooth out the grain patterns. For that, I like to start with General Finishes water based sanding sealer. It’s thick, fills fast and sands smooth. You can spray it with the 5500 as well.

Frankly, if you’ve got experience with the enamel paint and like the results, I’d probably suggest sticking with that. Pre-cat lacquer might be more durable, but I honestly don’t know, and since it’s not a tabletop that will take a lot of abuse, it might not matter anyway.

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#3 posted 10-01-2017 08:19 PM

Have you addressed the odor issue? Lac. is gonna be a bit stinky.
Bill

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#4 posted 10-01-2017 08:35 PM

I have used my 5500 to spray target finishes waterbased tinted lacquer to great success. Thinned about 10% with water gave the result you describe. It looked great and dried fast with minimal odor.

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#5 posted 10-02-2017 12:15 AM

If you have successfully sprayed enamel, you will have no trouble with lacquer. The advantage of lacquers over enamels is that the layers burn in to each other, effectively forming one single layer. enamel and varnish products form layers that can be troublesome if you need to sand them out since the layers will show if you sand through.

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#6 posted 10-02-2017 12:57 PM

Nice job.

FYI, I’ve built many cabs in place, but I’ve found any job is best done in modules and finished in the shop prior to installation. The odor/sanding dust issues in the house can be quite a hassle. Be sure you have the room sealed off and use exhaust fans and a noxious gas respirator.

Indoor spraying: use water based primer & paint. IMO there is no advantage to using lacquer over something like polyacrylic on paint (which I see no need for beyond a semi gloss paint).

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#7 posted 10-02-2017 03:08 PM

DAK,

I had pretty much the same question as you, I ended up not doing this job because I had too large a work load, but here’s the link in case you can gain any insight from it:

http://lumberjocks.com/PPK/blog/109033

-- Pete

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#8 posted 10-02-2017 03:10 PM

And as far as spraying lacquer goes… easy peasy. I can do it, so that means anybody can! Lol. Lacquer lays down really smooth and easy, and doesn’t run too badly at all. I’ve never used the Earlex HVLP’s… I just use a cheap HVLP gravity feed spray gun from Harbor Freight. 1.4 to 1.6 mm tips work quite fine with lacquer…

-- Pete

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#9 posted 10-02-2017 03:24 PM

Oh, and its turning out really nicely!

-- Pete

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#10 posted 10-02-2017 04:15 PM

If you’re going with white – I would take a look at General Finishes Pigmented Poly. It is water based and comes in Black or White with 3 different sheens (satin, semi & gloss)

I have used several gallons of the black and been very happy with the results.

“Enduro Pigmented Poly is a high solids pigmented finish. It is ideal for cabinets and millwork. Stocked in Black and White, custom colors are available upon request. White and Clear can be used as tint bases to achieve endless colors. For non architectural use. Can be used with General Finishes Glaze Effects. Recommended Accuspray HVLP atomizing sets: .043, .051 or .072 tip and nozzle, No. 10 air cap.”

https://generalfinishes.com/professional-products/water-based-paints-glazes-and-pigmented-top-coats/enduro-pigmented-black-white

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#11 posted 10-02-2017 08:26 PM

Thanks or the tips! Do you need a compressor with a high CFM to spray lacquer? I have an air compressor, but I believe it is only 3-5CFM (somewhere in there)

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#12 posted 10-02-2017 08:34 PM



Nice job.

FYI, I ve built many cabs in place, but I ve found any job is best done in modules and finished in the shop prior to installation. The odor/sanding dust issues in the house can be quite a hassle. Be sure you have the room sealed off and use exhaust fans and a noxious gas respirator.

Indoor spraying: use water based primer & paint. IMO there is no advantage to using lacquer over something like polyacrylic on paint (which I see no need for beyond a semi gloss paint).

- rwe2156

I’m mostly looking to avoid the orange peel look. I did my kitchen cabinets in a SW Pro-enamel paint. They are holding up just fine, and are pretty smooth, but I want to up the game and get it as smooth as possible – that’s why I was wondering about lacquer. I did built these modular. I plan on taking them apart to finish sanding, etc, and then paint/lacquer them outside

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#13 posted 10-02-2017 08:37 PM



Thanks or the tips! Do you need a compressor with a high CFM to spray lacquer? I have an air compressor, but I believe it is only 3-5CFM (somewhere in there)

- dakremer


Up until recently, I have used my Makita twin stack compressor which is right around 4 cfm, I think. It would run pretty often, but keep up fine. I usually run about 35-40 psi. I saw a pic of your silver HVLP spray gun on one of your blogs, and I think that’s almost exactly what I have. It should spray lacquer quite well.

-- Pete

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#14 posted 10-02-2017 08:55 PM

I think whats really pushing me towards using lacquer (as opposed to the paint) is that you can sand the lacquer and get a really smooth coat. I’ve tried sanding my paint before, to get it a little smoother, and it turns out looking horrible. Seems like lacquer would be much more forgiving.

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#15 posted 10-02-2017 08:56 PM

PPK – maybe I’ll have to bust out my small setup and try spraying some lacquer with it on a test piece. My only fear is that my compressor wont be able to keep up on such a large project, and/or that the cfm isnt large enough to atomize the lacquer and give me that smooth coat….

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