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builtinbkyn

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09-26-2017 01:05 PM

In planning my new shop, I’ve been looking at new DC systems to replace the HF system I’ve been using the past few years. My thoughts are I should look at single phase 3hp systems so I have adequate collection at each point in the shop. The systems I looked at are Laguna, Delta, Jet, Oneida and ClearView. I like some of the features of the Laguna, but in the end, it just seems to fall short of Oneida and CV. Jet and Delta appear to be almost identical, not as well reviewed, and those reviews I did find, led me to believe they were not going to meet my needs.

The CV looks to be a first rate system, but there are two issues for me that have somewhat eliminated it from contention – the ceiling height in the shop may not be high enough to accommodate it and the assembly doesn’t look like something I want to take on. The CV is a very tall system, which is obviously by design and probably adds to it’s efficiency. Oneida has two systems in the 3hp range – the Gorilla Pro and the V series. Given the ceiling height restriction, the V series looks to be the answer and this was confirmed by the “system selector” that Oneida has on their web site.

I am looking for any info that can either help confirm the choice or cause me to take another look at one of the other systems mentioned. I’d also like to understand the differences between the Gorilla Pro and the V series systems, in use. Any input from user experience of any of the systems mentioned, is appreciated.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)


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Manitario

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#1 posted 09-26-2017 02:23 PM

I’m not a huge fan of the Oneida systems, they seem to have two main issues;
-not great dust separation (the whole point of getting a cyclone)- ie. frequent filter cleanings, large amount of dust in filter clean out.
-Small filters. The larger the filter size the smaller the restriction to airflow, which is especially an issue if your filters are filling with dust.

I have a Clearvue; the assembly was pretty easy although it will take you a whole day to do. The main advantage of it over an Oneida is better dust separation and huge filter size (600sqft compared to 110 on the Gorilla Pro). Also the advantage of a 5hp motor for about the same price as the Gorilla pro. You can get it into a shop with 8ft ceilings but you might have to remove the drywall above the motor. The forum on the Clearvue site has some creative work-arounds for this.

Otherwise, I’d go with the Gorilla Pro; slightly bigger filter size and slightly better performance from the V-series; I’m assuming that it has a full 15” impeller compared to the V-series 14.5”.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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Greg the Cajun Wood Artist

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#2 posted 09-26-2017 02:46 PM

I have an Onieda 3hp Gorilla max system in my shop that had had extensive daily use for nearly 12 years now. I cannot find a single fault with it and it was worked flawlessly and is very efficient.

My shop is 24×40 and I have runs to my table saw, 2 drum sanders, a 15” planer, Jointer, band saw, miter saw station, downdraft table and drill press. I work alone and therefore only have one machine working at any one time. I have a remote at each tool and find it extremely convenient. during all the time i have had it i have only had to replace one remote starter (around $49)

It is located underneath an enclosed/insulated stairway and is therefore quiet. I did add my own homemade dual-filter systen several years ago and it is the onjly thing that is not stock Oneida
I would not consider any other model after having such complete satisfaction with this one. Oneida customer support has been excellent with whatever questions I have called about.

-- Wood for projects is like a good Fart..."better when you cut it yourself"

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scrubs

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#3 posted 09-26-2017 05:51 PM

I have an Oneida Dust Gorilla Pro 2HP for my home shop and it works fantastic. I could just about suck a tape measure up with the thing. For the size of my runs 2HP was more than enough so I didn’t spring for the 3HP. The guy I worked with at Oneida said I’d have been wasting money if I did and I think he was right. :)

I’ve had zero issues with separation, my filters stay very clean. I just emptied the 35g drum and when I checked the filter there was literally less than a spoonfull of dust in it.

Their customer service (mostly answering all my stupid questions) was outstanding. I highly suggest going with the Dust Gorilla Pro over the V System. You get the Baldor motor and a larger powder coated steel separator. The only thing is whether or not you have the overhead space or not. I have a lot of overhead that is unused so for me it was ideal.

I just went through the whole purchasing, configuring, etc ordeal about two months ago, so if I can help at all I’m happy to. :)

-- It all seems like a good idea at some point...

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Redoak49

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#4 posted 09-26-2017 09:14 PM

I have heard the claims about Oneida dust collector issues and wondered how true. When I bought my 5 hp Dust Gorilla, I had a concern. But after more than a year…..no problems.

1) I have no problems with separation. When I have cleaned the filter, there is very little dust…less than a cup.

2) The filter size seem just fine. I have a Magnahelic gauge on mine and it has stayed low.

3) The dust collector is in my garage next to my wife’s car. There is no dust on her car. Believe me, if there was any dust I would hear about it.

I think both the Oneida and ClearVue are very good dust collectors and just pick the one that fits you best.

For some reason, dust collectors are very polarizing to some members.

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AandCstyle

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#5 posted 09-26-2017 09:24 PM

Bill, I have a V3000 and am very happy with it. Unfortunately, I have no experience with a Gorilla Pro. I agree with the others that Oneida’s customer service is outstanding. They will help you design your system which is another plus in my book. If you send them a diagram of your shop and intended tool placement, they will tell you what they think you need. Like Scrubs, they suggested less expensive options than I thought I needed. The current free shipping on the V systems wouldn’t be hard to take either. FWIW

-- Art

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builtinbkyn

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#6 posted 09-26-2017 10:00 PM

Manitario I appreciate your input and know the CV is a really nice system but I’m not sure there’s a way to make it work with the ceiling height restriction. I’m also not sure I have interest in assembling from the ground up, a system that will run close to three grand when all is said and done. After viewing a few videos, it seems kind of odd that one needs to apply silicone sealant in almost all of the construction, in order for the system to work effectively. I’m sure it would and does, but except for the actual cyclone housing, I could fabricate all of the parts myself.

The Oneida systems also need assembly, but not near the amount and type of assembly the CV requires. As for the filter, Wynn offers replacement filters for Oneida that match the specs of the the one supplied with the CV system. When the time comes, I’ll probably use the Wynn filter for the replacement.

Greg my shop and equipment is almost identical to what your running. I would be interested in seeing how you achieved a dual filter and hearing anything else you have to offer about the GP. My system will be out of ear-shot in the next garage bay, behind a closed door. That should keep the shop insulated from the noise of the dust collector.

Scrubs, the selector on the Oneida site suggested the V series, but as you did and call them to speak with someone prior to ordering anything to see if they have a different suggestion for my shop configuration and size. The GP was the system I first had interest in. I didn’t know anything about the V series. Again, the height issue may come into play, especially if I go with the freestanding unit. However wall mounting may overcome that.

I guess the next step is a call to Oneida to get more answers. Maybe like you discovered, a 2hp system will more than adequately serve my needs. I’ll also utilize their duct planning service based on the layout I’ve arrived at.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#7 posted 09-26-2017 10:03 PM



Bill, I have a V3000 and am very happy with it. Unfortunately, I have no experience with a Gorilla Pro. I agree with the others that Oneida s customer service is outstanding. They will help you design your system which is another plus in my book. If you send them a diagram of your shop and intended tool placement, they will tell you what they think you need. Like Scrubs, they suggested less expensive options than I thought I needed. The current free shipping on the V systems wouldn t be hard to take either. FWIW

- AandCstyle

Hey Art. So you do have the V series. That’s good to know. You’re satisfied with the dust separation? How about filter maintenance? I also didn’t notice the free shipping offer, so thanks for that info. ;) Yes I plan on doing as you suggest – sending them my shop plans to see what they come up with in terms of ducting. Do you have an automatic blast gate system?

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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scrubs

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#8 posted 09-27-2017 07:30 PM


Scrubs, the selector on the Oneida site suggested the V series, but as you did and call them to speak with someone prior to ordering anything to see if they have a different suggestion for my shop configuration and size. The GP was the system I first had interest in. I didn t know anything about the V series. Again, the height issue may come into play, especially if I go with the freestanding unit. However wall mounting may overcome that.

I guess the next step is a call to Oneida to get more answers. Maybe like you discovered, a 2hp system will more than adequately serve my needs. I ll also utilize their duct planning service based on the layout I ve arrived at.

- builtinbkyn

They’re pre-sales technical support was outstanding. They saved me from quite a few mistakes. :)

This is a relatively current pic of my space. I have a 1 car extension in my garage that is my permanent space and when I work on larger things I just pull my truck out and have an additional space. Motorcycle moves of course. ;)

https://imgur.com/zlMBBma

As you can see the footprint really isn’t bad, outside of the filter I think it’s less than 2’ square. It’s fairly high if you go for the taller stand (I did instead of the shorter stand+legs) for ease of getting the drum in and out.

I really have been extremely happy. I’ve emptied the drum twice now and I think I’ve had about a total of 2 table spoons of dust in the filter. Best I’ve had so far. :)

-- It all seems like a good idea at some point...

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#9 posted 09-27-2017 09:02 PM

Hi scrubs. I just got off the phone with the Oneida rep and as you, Art and others have reported, they are very helpful and knowledgable about their product and the science of dust collection, which makes sense since they have been doing it for a long time and for industrial applications as well as small hobby shops.

I had questions about the filters they utilize and the area of filtration vs what others use and it was explained very well how it all works and why the materials for the filter matter and how it influences dust collection and filter maintenance. Another thing the rep mentioned which I found interesting is the use of the central dust collector for air filtration as well as collecting dust and chips from machines vs the use of overhead air filters. Their claim is that using the central dust collector with a floor gate works better in terms of air quality than does a suspended air filter. The idea is that suspended air filters create their own air stream around the shop and above all work surfaces, and most of the dust it’s intended to filter from the air, is just pushed to an area of the shop that it cannot influence. Dust naturally wants to settle. Using a floor port will create a downdraft which helps draw fine particulates to the hepa filter of the dust collector and away from settling on work surfaces. The rep also said they’re phasing out their “regular systems” and all of their lines will eventually have Smart Boost technology.

This was a preliminary contact to see what they would recommend given the parameters of my shop and equipment. I’ve more than settled on using Oneida. Once they review my machines and the shop plan, they’ll have a more specific recommendation.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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AandCstyle

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#10 posted 09-27-2017 09:20 PM

Bill, I think the key to good dust separation is to ensure that all the connections are completely air tight. Regarding filter maintenance, I blow out the filter per their instructions, then “empty” (usually there is very little, but you don’t know that until you look) the collection bowl at the bottom each time I empty the drum. I don’t have automatic blast gates mainly because I am not technical enough to figure out all the parts and pieces I would need to make my own and the ready made ones seem too pricey for what they are, IMO.

-- Art

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builtinbkyn

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#11 posted 09-27-2017 10:32 PM



Bill, I think the key to good dust separation is to ensure that all the connections are completely air tight. Regarding filter maintenance, I blow out the filter per their instructions, then “empty” (usually there is very little, but you don t know that until you look) the collection bowl at the bottom each time I empty the drum. I don t have automatic blast gates mainly because I am not technical enough to figure out all the parts and pieces I would need to make my own and the ready made ones seem too pricey for what they are, IMO.

- AandCstyle


Yup, that’s how the filter cleaning was explained to me by the rep. Their filters have a special coating that allows the particulates to release. They don’t suggest any form of scrubber or mechanical cleaning as it would abrade the filter lining.

As for blast gates, I’m looking at automatic gates and the rep said if I used their design service, they would need to configure and size the ducts for the specific gates I use. I’m not sure what I’ll do yet on that end. I do know I often forget to turn on the collector lol The automatic gates do that for you so there may be other benefits. I’m pretty sure I’ll forget to open the gates if they’re not automatic :)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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scrubs

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#12 posted 09-28-2017 06:20 AM



Hi scrubs. I just got off the phone with the Oneida rep and as you, Art and others have reported, they are very helpful and knowledgable about their product and the science of dust collection, which makes sense since they have been doing it for a long time and for industrial applications as well as small hobby shops.

I had questions about the filters they utilize and the area of filtration vs what others use and it was explained very well how it all works and why the materials for the filter matter and how it influences dust collection and filter maintenance. Another thing the rep mentioned which I found interesting is the use of the central dust collector for air filtration as well as collecting dust and chips from machines vs the use of overhead air filters. Their claim is that using the central dust collector with a floor gate works better in terms of air quality than does a suspended air filter. The idea is that suspended air filters create their own air stream around the shop and above all work surfaces, and most of the dust it s intended to filter from the air, is just pushed to an area of the shop that it cannot influence. Dust naturally wants to settle. Using a floor port will create a downdraft which helps draw fine particulates to the hepa filter of the dust collector and away from settling on work surfaces. The rep also said they re phasing out their “regular systems” and all of their lines will eventually have Smart Boost technology.

This was a preliminary contact to see what they would recommend given the parameters of my shop and equipment. I ve more than settled on using Oneida. Once they review my machines and the shop plan, they ll have a more specific recommendation.

- builtinbkyn

Nice! You’ll be super happy. I hadn’t actually thought of the floor sweep thing acting as a filtration system, that’s not a bad idea. :)

-- It all seems like a good idea at some point...

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#13 posted 09-28-2017 12:53 PM

Scrubs, the rep said the unit and the ducting need to be sized appropriately for that to work while a machine is running. If not, then extraction obviously won’t be optimal and as designed. Now I guess if one was to leave it running with the floor sweep port open after the milling operation, it would still work.

This is intended to work well with the Smart Boost technology. That can effectively increase blower speed quite a bit and compensate for two open ports.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#14 posted 09-28-2017 07:00 PM



Scrubs, the rep said the unit and the ducting need to be sized appropriately for that to work while a machine is running. If not, then extraction obviously won t be optimal and as designed. Now I guess if one was to leave it running with the floor sweep port open after the milling operation, it would still work.

This is intended to work well with the Smart Boost technology. That can effectively increase blower speed quite a bit and compensate for two open ports.

- builtinbkyn

Yeah I would probably only run it after I finished whatever I was doing and leave it running for a bit. :)

-- It all seems like a good idea at some point...

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#15 posted 09-29-2017 11:08 PM

Bill, did you order the V3000 today?

-- Art

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