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GR8HUNTER

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09-25-2017 05:36 PM

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I AM TRYING TO HOOK UP A 220 OUTLET IN SHOP :<)) HOPE THE PICTURES HELP :<))
IT STARTS HERE WITH THE SUB BREAKER

THEN TO THE SUB BOX

NEXT PICTURE IS THE BREAKER IN THE SHOP

AND THE GROUND

AND THEN RECEPTICLE

NOW LAST PICTURE IS WHERE IT ARCS AFTER I APPLY POWER TO INSTALLED BREAKER YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE DARKNESS ON THE SCREW

THEN THE BREAKER IN THE VERY FIRST PICTURE CLICKS OFF

THANKS FOR ALL HELP :<))

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN


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bushmaster

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#1 posted 09-25-2017 07:12 PM

looksgood to me, maybe the receptical has a short in it.

-- Brian - Hazelton, British Columbia

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#2 posted 09-25-2017 07:58 PM

receptacle is brand new Brian :<))

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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Gilley23

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#3 posted 09-25-2017 08:38 PM

It looks like you bonded the neutral bar to the panel housing. You need to remove that bonding jumper. The grounds and neutrals only bonded together in the first panel after your meter.

Please post a picture of the entire inside of your panel.

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GR8HUNTER

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#4 posted 09-25-2017 09:48 PM

I will get a picture of whole box a little later …..BUT I already do have a 220 in that box ….for my table saw which works very well :<))

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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LittleBlackDuck

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#5 posted 09-25-2017 10:27 PM

GR8, No idea what your laws are like, but here in Aus. it is illegal not to use a qualified electrician… ok, that’s the law… Hell ‘lectricity doens’nt go through wood and most of us “modern” woodies are law breakers and electron killers..

Having gotten that off my chest, if you used a qualified sparkie, he should fix it and if you didn’t maybe out should get someone certified to check it out in situ.

While LJ is a great source of inspiration, hits and advice, unfortunately it’s impossible to see the other side of the picture when there’s so much hidden behind posts/boxes/panels (and the back of the picture is sure to be blank).

Is the time required to arrive at the solution worth the what-if scenario when safety is potentially at stake.

Be frugal where you can but a few shekels on qualified advice would not go astray.

That’s my 3c worth.

PS. If you are a qualified sparkie, you needn’t be asking us woodies!

-- If your first cut is too short... Take the second cut from the longer end... LBD

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GR8HUNTER

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#6 posted 09-25-2017 10:49 PM


It looks like you bonded the neutral bar to the panel housing. You need to remove that bonding jumper. The grounds and neutrals only bonded together in the first panel after your meter. Please post a picture of the entire inside of your panel.

- Gilley23


-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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bushmaster

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#7 posted 09-26-2017 10:52 AM

Interested to see how this turns out. Box looks good, New receptical still could be faulty, even if it is new.

-- Brian - Hazelton, British Columbia

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crowie

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#8 posted 09-26-2017 10:55 AM

Take care Tony with that stuff, it can be shocking…
We have 240v downunder and by law must use a licensed electrician aka sparky, or as we called them in the RAN a “greenie”, yes as long as it was green it was alive….

-- Lifes good, Enjoy each new day...... Cheers from "On Top DownUnder" Crowie

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Redoak49

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#9 posted 09-26-2017 11:07 AM

Both of the connection to the breaker are hots. A white wire should not be connected to the breaker.

When I wire a 220, I use red and black to the breaker and white to neutral, and bare to box.

It appears to me you connected to host together.

NOTE—- I am not an electrician but have wired my own circuits (also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.)

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GR8HUNTER

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#10 posted 09-27-2017 08:58 PM

UPDATE*

WHAT HAPPENED IS I CLAMPED DOWN TO HARD ON WIRE AND PIERCED THE INSULATION IMMA HULK LMAO :<))

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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woodbutcherbynight

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#11 posted 09-27-2017 11:52 PM

Yup, been there done that once, was a heck of flash. Good you found it without getting shocked.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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GR8HUNTER

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#12 posted 09-28-2017 12:31 AM

I will NOT do that again

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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woodbutcherbynight

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#13 posted 09-28-2017 03:15 AM

My neighbor up the street in his infinite wisdom jumped off his wife’s car with a extension cord hook to house current. They could not determine the cause of death, electrocution or pieces of the battery that went into his head. Either way I had to call in to work and ask to come in late the street was blocked off till 10 while they tried to sort it out.

LOL, yes we have some real rocket scientist here some days.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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#14 posted 09-28-2017 02:53 PM

I don’t see a ground anywhere in that box.

-- Rockhound: You realize we're sitting on 45,000 pounds of fuel, one nuclear warhead and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder? Makes you feel good doesn't it?

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#15 posted 09-28-2017 02:55 PM

And, you’re using your neutral as a ground for your branch circuits.
You need to get a ground from your main panel to the sub panel. Grounding to a water pipe or another ground rod is illegal for a sub panel. When you pinched the wire, the power went to the metal panel box and traveled through your loose bonding jumper to the neutral. When you remove that jumper, the panel will have zero ground, and if that happens again, YOU may become the grounding jumper, and we don’t want that.
You will need a separate ground bus kit and move the romex grounds to that after you get the box grounded.

-- Rockhound: You realize we're sitting on 45,000 pounds of fuel, one nuclear warhead and a thing that has 270,000 moving parts built by the lowest bidder? Makes you feel good doesn't it?

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