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Forum topic by manyironsinfire posted 01-20-2011 08:03 PM 8078 views 0 times favorited 52 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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manyironsinfire

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01-20-2011 08:03 PM

Hi all,

This is my first post on here. I’ve been reading forums for a month or so on here and finally joined.

I’m starting out in woodworking. I’m a machinst by day. I’ve build some more construction-like stuff like a porch but I’m wanting to get into furniture type stuff.

My “shop” consists of a 10” sliding compound miter saw, Bosch 1617 router, and a craftsman radial arm saw (family donated). Next on my list i would like to get a table saw.

I was sold on Grizzly g0661 and then i got to compairing it to g0715p. I like the g0661 for its 36” rip capacity over the g0715p. Dust collection on the g0715p might be a little nicer being cabinet.

THe price of the g0715p seemed to good to be true. So i dug into the parts breakdowns compaired the two and also to other saws(i know, i have a problem). From that, the g0661 seems a little beefier. The thing that scares me is the g0715p has two 6202(15mm IDx35mm ODx 11 mm W) arbor bearings. The g0661 has 6203 (17mm IDx40mmODx12 mm W). Compairing to some other saws, 6203 seems to be standard, but if anything they go bigger from there. Looking at the craftsman 21833 parts breakdown, i believe it’s basically the same saw internally as the g0715p, but the craftsman has the bigger 6203 on the blade side and the 6202 on the pulley side.

I’m sure i’m blowing this way out of the water but i like knowing what i’m buying. Any thoughts on this matter? Recomendations?

I’m also somewhat interested in the general 50-225r m1 but i’m not sure what they run.

Thanks and i look forward to learning from you all,
Josh


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manyironsinfire

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#1 posted 01-20-2011 08:52 PM

I’m not sure I see the connection there?

I have thought about buying a used saw. I really like the idea of the quick release blade guard and riving knife. I figured if its easy to put on and take off, i might actually use it. And i really like the t-square fence design. We have a unisaw at work with unifence and i’m not real font of it. Nice fence dont get me wrong but they dont slide very good.

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DaveTPilot

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#2 posted 01-20-2011 08:59 PM

I can’t speak to how well those bearings will hold up but I can tell you the GO715P is a great saw. I am very happy with it and it is very accurate, with proper set-up of course. Speaking of the set-up it needed very little tweaking right from the factory.

I guess you’d have to ask yourself how often do you need the larger ripping capacity. For the money, I couldn’t pass up the 715P.

-- How valuable is time to a person who spends his disparaging the beliefs of others? --David Berthelette www.pilotwoodworks.com

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HorizontalMike

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#3 posted 01-20-2011 09:09 PM

Two things to consider:

1. What does Grizzly say is actually IN-STOCK?

2. New items often have unproven reliability. They may last forever, OR they may have problems from the get-go.

I personally ended up with a G0690 after several Grizzly back-order delivery postponements of the G1023RLW kept me without a saw. Don’t get me wrong, I love my G0690 TS but it was not my first choice. That waiting game, for that new saw design, eventually changed my perspective. I think you may want to thoroughly vet Grizzly on availability and shipping dates for whatever saw you decide is right for you. Just my 2-cents worth…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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Kevin

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#4 posted 01-21-2011 02:41 AM

Just call grizzly up and ask them if it’s in stock. I do it on all the major purchases.

I’ve used the 661 and the 1023SL and I can say it’s like night and day difference to me. I much prefer the 1023 series over the 661. I’d take the hybrid over the contractor if going with grizzly. All the grizzly tools i’ve bought have been used a lot and they are still holding strong.

-- Williamsburg, KY

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MarionSSS

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#5 posted 01-21-2011 04:34 AM

I ordered the G0715P on 12/31/10. It won’t be in the warehouse until 3/11 per Grizzly customer service. I’ve been sooo tempted to move up to the 1023 or 690. I’ve sooo blown my tool purchasing budget already – what’s a few hundred more?

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manyironsinfire

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#6 posted 01-21-2011 06:20 AM

charliel, both. I think you might tell me to wax the rails? They’re pretty ragged from years of sliding. If someone would have done that along the way might have helped.

I forgot to mention i’m limited to 110v where i’m at right now.

Does anyone know anything about steel city saws? I looked at one at hartville hardware tonight. $599 for contractor saw, basically a craftsman 21833 with cast wings and better fence. Which from parts breakdowns seems to be same internally as grizzly g0715p. fence looks kind of cheap but seems solid.

To those of you that have g0715’s, how do you like the fence?

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Simons44

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#7 posted 01-21-2011 06:54 AM

No problems with the fence this far. It’s a heck of a lot better than the fence on my $75 black Friday craftsman saw. But I don’t have anything else to compare it to.
Jeremy

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knotscott

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#8 posted 01-21-2011 08:34 AM

Some random thoughts…

Since the G0715P is a left tilt saw, it should be easy to rob capacity from the left side (which you’ll likely never need), and slide the front rail tube over more to the right, giving it some additional right side rip capacity. I’ve done that on my last two saws, gaining ~ 10” in each case with no drilling. The point being, I wouldn’t put much emphasis on the differences in rip capacity, b/c that can be easily changed.

When the G0715P first hit the scene there was some discussion on another forum that it had the same guts as the Cman 21833 (and now the R4512). Griz president, Shiraz Balolia, was adament that they are not the same, and don’t come from the same factory.

I have no idea what difference the bearing size makes, but bearings aren’t usually too expensive if you wanted to replace them.

Horizontal Mike’s point about actual availability is pretty valid IMO.

How well a fence slides can be improved a lot by waxing the rails. Setup is also somewhat of a factor in how well they slide.

The G0715P is listed as being quite a bit heavier (414# vs 342#)

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Sailor

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#9 posted 01-21-2011 03:26 PM

I was in your situation a year or so ago and I asked this same question. I ended up spending a few more dollars and getting the G1023RL and that thing is amazing (of course that’s going from a $150 table saw). Now i haven’t used one of smaller saws that you are talking about but just by glancing at them they look basically the same. One thing that I have noticed about table saws is that the internals don’t seem to be as important as the externals, like the fence in particular.

My thinking was, I wanted a good fence that I could set without measuing and cut. Well I have that now and I absolutely love it. Now looing at the saws, they all seem to have god fences and cast iron tables. So really the difference is the internals which when it comes to Grizzly they seem to have a good reputation on all of their saws when it comes to motor/internal parts, so all you may be loosing is some HP.

I am glad I went with they G1023SL, but I may have been just as happy with one of the smaller saws with the same table/fence. But, it is cool knowing that I have a real cabinet saw!

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manyironsinfire

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#10 posted 01-21-2011 03:31 PM

knotscott, thats a good point, I kinda wondered what good the left side would be. So thats an easy fix.

I hadn’t seen that forum but that was the same thing i was getting at. I’m sure he doesnt want it to be the same as a craftsman but if you look at the parts breakdowns, i can’t see any way its not. Its the same picture with different numbers. There looks to be a few different parts but basically thats it. Any the general 225-re looks to be the same inside as g0661.

The bearings, i wasnt quite as concerned with longevity as thinking it might not be as solid for vibration and stuff. I’m wondering if grizzly had a typo and the bearing by the blade is supposed to be 6203 like the craftsman twin.

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HorizontalMike

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#11 posted 01-21-2011 04:02 PM

manyironsinfire said:
I’m wondering if grizzly had a typo and the bearing by the blade is supposed to be 6203 like the craftsman twin.

You may be on to something there. Check out the typo on my zero-clearance insert instruction sheet . The insert is for my G0690, but the Instruction sheet says the saw is a G0960 / G0961. BINGO!

And the scary part is that the insert AND the instruction sheet are ”Made in the USA” .

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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paulzall

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#12 posted 01-21-2011 08:13 PM

I got a Grizzly G0715P table saw six weeks ago and encountered some minor quality issues. To eliminate some scraping parts, I had to lift the table off the base and add some shims. This was a little awkward because of the weight of the trunnions and motor hanging from the table, but not a serious inconvenience.

Assembly was straightforward; trunnions adjusted easily, serpentine belt was loose but simple to tighten.

The fence was more problematic. I had to fabricate a pair of lock nuts for the parallelism adjustment set screws; apparently none were included in the design and regular jam nuts are too thick to fit in the space between the fence and the rail. By the way, there is a typo in the parts list for these screws; they are listed as M12-1.75×10 standard thread, but are actually M12-1.00 extra-extra-fine thread. Also, the fence lock lever was binding against the lock foot and I fixed that by adding a rubber spring and resurfacing the lock lever. After that, everything worked beautifully and I’m really very pleased with the saw. I did make some other modifications (for example I made a router table to go on the right-hand end), but they had nothing to do with quality problems.

I went for this saw originally for the dust collection and relatively low noise level and it was a good choice for those parameters. Checking various blades, I measured about 80 db with the saw idling and about 88 db ripping 6/4 maple. Turning on the dust collection added 2 db at idle and no increase when sawing.

This is my first post and I’m still getting oriented to the site. Hope it shows up okay. Glad to be associated with you folks. I’ve appreciated your comments in the past, as a casual observer.

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manyironsinfire

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#13 posted 01-21-2011 10:24 PM

Charliel had mentioned find a used saw. Were any older unisaws or the like 110v?

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harvey4804

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#14 posted 01-22-2011 07:23 AM

I ordered the G0715P on 12/30/10 the scheduled shipping date is 02/04/11 then another 3-5 business days for delivery… if Grizzly reschedules, I’m gonna scrap the order and try to find an American saw (USA or CDN made)

-- Ryan, FRMR HMM165 - HMX1 01-10

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mrjoeg

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#15 posted 01-23-2011 05:24 AM

I also have a grizzley Go715 on order, ( expected to arrive 02/04 ) after shopping around this was best saw for the value. What is the grumbling about delivery / lead times from Grizzley ? This is my first purchase from them.

-- Joe

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