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Forum topic by Danderson posted 01-20-2011 01:26 AM 3750 views 0 times favorited 7 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Danderson

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01-20-2011 01:26 AM

Topic tags/keywords: question planer

I’m considering the purchase of a planer/moulder. It’ll be primarily used as a planer, but when I saw that the molder capability didn’t seem to add much to the price, this seemed like a smart move. It would also be nice to have ability to produce my own moldings or match current moldings in my house with custom knives if need be.

My current price point is under $1,000. The models that I’m leaning toward given my limited research are the Grizzly G0477 and the Jet Jpm-13cs. On the surface it looks like the Grizzly has 2” more planing width and is $130 cheaper, but the Jet has 3 blades instead of 2.

I was hoping to get some of your opinions on these machines, if I should look at other models, or anything else y’all think may be relevant.

Thanks,

-Dan


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#1 posted 01-20-2011 02:07 AM

I have a Woodmaster and a Belsaw. I really think they are nicely
built machines and both have powerful motors. I got both used
so my purchases were opportunistic.

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#2 posted 01-20-2011 08:21 PM

Coincidentally I was looking at a used Woodmaster W718 locally. However, it looked pretty rough and hadn’t even been powered up in 20 years. He wanted $1,000, which seemed high given it’s current price new and the condition.

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#3 posted 01-20-2011 10:22 PM

Hi, Dan,
Welcome to LumberJocks!
I can’t tell from your profile if you’re a pro, or a dedicated or occassional hobbyist. I have a business which may be producing a piece of furniture one day, and the next…. a thousand feet of moulding. I have a W725 with their pro pack and helical planer head. I LOVE it. If you’re not trying to be a small high production shop, then you can’t do any better than a W718 or the Belsaw Loren’s talking about. I only really prefer the Woodmaster because of its simplicity (even though both are intuitively built, easy machines), and of course, Woodmaster’s legendary customer service. Custom knives are easy to get from them, and they’ll send you a catalogue of over 500 stock profiles. Also, I believe Belsaw only makes a 15”. If you plan on running multiple rows of mouldings simultaneously, you’ll probably find the 718’s extra 3” handy. AAAAaaaaaaand, if you plan to use it as a gang rip saw, you’ll need to go with Woodmaster. Just my buck-fifty. Take your time and look around. Again, Welcome!
Pete

-- Pete ----- http://www.bluemountainwoods.com

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#4 posted 01-20-2011 10:26 PM

For an 18” planer with a 5hp motor that may not be such a bad
price. Not a huge bargain, to be sure. My Woodmaster also has
a secondary, variable-speed motor for the feed. I don’t know if
the older ones do.

Woodmaster and Belsaw machines take the same moulding knives,
which are inexpensive compared to some other moulders (and
certainly to shapers) and available in a wide range of styles.

Some of the Pacific rim moulder/planers only take proprietary knives
which may not be available in the standard profiles for North American
mouldings.

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#5 posted 01-21-2011 01:48 AM

I guess that I would describe myself as an occasional hobbyist moving toward a dedicated one and who knows what else. Maybe some background would help.

I’d always been interested in woodworking (loved Normie growing up, and later David Marks), but life took me in a very different direction (CFO and CEO back in the day). I was a workaholic, and when the dotcom bubble burst, and we subsequently sold the house, the few months that I was unemployed ended up making both my wife and myself happier. Thus we decided that I’d semi-retire (I’d still take an occasional consulting gig from time to time).

Last year we moved from the Bay Area to back east (Massachusetts) to start a family (we weren’t big fans of Cali). We bought a fairly large house, and I spent my time getting to know it and improving it. My wife wanted some shadowboxing like the neighbors had (and I suspect thought that I’d enjoy doing it), so she bought me a Bosch compound miter saw.

Well I ended up doing most of the first floor – chair rail and shadowboxing on some pretty challenging areas (angled walls, stairs, etc.). When we compared this to our neighbor’s shadowboxing (they paid a small fortune to have it done by someone who was highly recommended, and they were happy with the results), my quality was substantially better.

So my wife, feeling confident by the quality of my first real woodworking project, and wanting furniture for this relatively unfurnished large house, bought a 5hp Industrial Cabinet Saw from Sawstop for me for Christmas. I don’t think that she fully understood that a dust collection system, a planer, etc. would then become necessary. When she mentioned Maloof rocker, I added a band saw and drum sander to the list. ;)

So where will this road take me? Will I sell Maloof style rockers in the internet, make custom cabinets locally, or simply make cool furniture for family and friends since we plan to start having kids in a year or so? Who knows.

I was seriously considering the used W718, and if it was guaranteed to work and was in good shape, I’d have grabbed it. I’m still keeping an eye on Craig’s List, but I’d like to get a planer sooner than later so that I can really get to using the table saw. ;)

We do have a couple folks up here in New England who make custom knives. One guy specializes in W&H and ShopFox, and the other guy does Jet and Grizzly (in addition to others). As I said though, right now I do not have a huge need to make molding, but I could see that if we ever wanted to trim out some other rooms nicer, we’d want to replicate the molding in the rest of the house. Or perhaps I’ll put coffered ceilings in a couple rooms and could save a bit by milling my own crown (and more importantly knowing they are true).

So does this help to figure out what planer I should get?

Thanks again guys! I appreciate all the help and advice.

-Dan

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#6 posted 01-21-2011 07:45 PM

Not entirely, but….. if it’s true that better equipment inspires people to do more stuff more often, and you’re sure you’re going to love woodworking 10 years from now, then spring for a W725. In reality, there is no toe-to-toe comparison. Belsaw is essentially out of business as such, W&H is a moulder and not intended to do all that a Woodmaster does. Won’t address ShopFox, ‘cause I’m a nice guy. When I do my homework on a piece of machinery, I begin with reading reviews, but definitely don’t end there, because opinions (even those born of experience) are subjective. Engineering mathematics is not.

-- Pete ----- http://www.bluemountainwoods.com

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#7 posted 01-22-2011 07:07 PM

I’d love to get the 725, but that’s about $1,400 more than I was looking to spend. I was even looking at the 718, but that’s $600 over the limit. That said, my wife was looking at some of the videos on the Woodmaster site, and saw the one about the dude who made $100k in a year by running stock crown molding on a 718 and selling it on Craig’s list. I told her that it was probably about as typical/realistic as selling Amway and making $1 million. ;) However, I think her brain may be working that if I could net $2k fairly easily (and since it’s in our basement and she can control my workaholic tendencies), she may be cool with it. As much as I’d love to have it, I just don’t want her to have unrealistic expectations.

That said, having something that can be converted to a drum sander (pro pack) for bentwood laminations is extremely appealing. However, I’ve seen folks say that the drum sanding function wasn’t very good on these machines.

So barring me finding out that it is easy to make cash running through crown molding, a huge tax refund, or something popping up on Craig’s List, I think the leading candidates are the Jet Jpm-13cs and the Grizzly G1037Z.

-Dan

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