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08-18-2017 04:17 PM

Hi all, first post here! I’m in the process of designing a DC system for my new house and had a couple questions. It will be based around the Oneida Mini Gorilla and probably 2729 pipe.

1) Bill Pentz’s site claims my Oneida will not be any good when dropping down to the typical port size on my handheld power tools? Specifically I’ll mostly be using a Festool TS55 saw, Dewalt 790 miter saw, and Ridgid router (probably to be replaced by a Dewalt 618), how true is this?

2) How loud is the Oneida Mini Gorilla?

3) I’m looking to build hoods for the miter saw and router “station”. Plenty of good examples out there for the miter saw, but the router station has me a bit stumped. Here is a pic of the router station:

Basically I use use an overhang off my bench, with a removable top of particle board, so I can replace it easily when it becomes chewed up from the router and drilling through it to fasten pieces. I did a quick mockup of a hood, but I’ wondering if you have any better ideas?


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#1 posted 08-18-2017 04:28 PM

I am not a fan of large systems of pipes. I use multiple DC around the shop. Large shop vacs for hand tools.

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#2 posted 08-18-2017 04:28 PM

Welcome to Lumberjocks

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#3 posted 08-18-2017 04:43 PM

DC’s are not made to be choked down by small hoses and ports. They aren’t made to work that way. They move large volumes at low levels of static pressure (resistance to air flow). Large pipes and ports allow that low level of resistance. Shop Vacs are the opposite and maybe better suited for what you want to do. They move smaller volumes of air at very high SP. There will be some who will tell you that the DC works just fine with a small hose, so maybe you need to see for yourself if it delivers the performance you want. It didn’t work for me.

PS: welcome!

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#4 posted 08-18-2017 05:03 PM

Thanks for the replies! I do intend to keep the DC system for the hoods, so what do you guys think of my hood design for the router station?

What are some reasonably priced shop vacs to use with the handheld tools dust collection?

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#5 posted 08-18-2017 05:19 PM

I think Fred is right on this- the router and track saw will be better served from a decent shop vac. The miter saw however I believe will work better connected to a DC as long as you keep the piping large enough and use a well designed hood that catches the chips as they come off the blade. Miter saws are notoriously difficult to collect BTW, so don’t expect perfection.

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#6 posted 08-18-2017 08:21 PM

Shop vacs come in 2 types: cheap and expensive. The expensive ones (Fein, Festool, Bosch, and a handful of others) don’t necessarily do things a lot better, but they are much more quiet (repeat: they are much more quiet). That seems to be a concern for you, so you might want to consider the expensive route. If you don’t (and I can’t blame you) then I see most of the cheaper ones as being more or less equal. But I would try to buy one that has the attachments with it, and a 2 1/4” hose is better for general cleanup type stuff, but usually the 1 1/4” hose is better for tool use. Also consider getting one that has “stuff” available for it (Kobalt, Shop Vac, the more common names). That stuff can be the other hose, different attachments, or even the bags (useful at times) and filters. I’d comment on the roter hood but I dn’t uinderstand how you intend to use it. Is for a router table or hand held use?

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#7 posted 08-18-2017 08:32 PM


I d comment on the roter hood but I dn t uinderstand how you intend to use it. Is for a router table or hand held use?

- Fred Hargis

Handheld use. Mostly speaker enclosures. I typically clamp the piece along the front edge of the table, and work on the overhanging tabletop end. So dust typically gets thrown to the right and to the back. This where I would put a large DC port. I’m thinking the top of the hood could be angled so I have good visibility and so it directs airflow to the port, like a big scoop.

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#8 posted 08-18-2017 08:53 PM

Question on hoses at Amazon: Powertec Clear Flexible hose or Fulton Ultra-Flex Clear Vue?

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#9 posted 08-18-2017 10:10 PM

If your router use is mostly handheld, I’d just get a router with built in DC capability; eg. I use a Dewalt attached to a Festool vac which does a good, although not perfect job at DC. You won’t get much dust control from a hood with a handheld router.

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#10 posted 08-18-2017 10:20 PM



If your router use is mostly handheld, I d just get a router with built in DC capability; eg. I use a Dewalt attached to a Festool vac which does a good, although not perfect job at DC. You won t get much dust control from a hood with a handheld router.

- Manitario

Yes that is what I’m doing, I just don’t know which shop vac to get.

Regarding the hoses that will be for hoods and or bench tools that can support larger hose size. I’m just not sure how the Powertec or Fulton differ. Powertec also has a anti-static hose too, only 1 uninformative review though.

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#11 posted 08-19-2017 01:35 AM

I think I’ll get a Ridgid 1450 for the dust collection on the handheld power tools since I need a shop vac anyway. If I’m not happy with it and the Mini Gorilla doesn’t work well either I’ll look at something like Fein.

Now about those hoses for the hoods…

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#12 posted 08-19-2017 03:43 PM

I would go with this, it seems a lot simpler.

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#13 posted 08-19-2017 05:06 PM


I would go with this, it seems a lot simpler.

- Fred Hargis

I apologize, I’m not being clear with my aims and what I’m doing. For the router and miter saw I will use BOTH the tool’s DC (via shop vac) AND a hood to collect stray particles (via Oneida MG). It’s not either/or. In fact I have that Oneida piece and will use it when routing an edge.

So my questions are pertaining to the hood design, what hose to use to connect to the hood (and handheld tool when making my own hose), and what a good shop vac to do this with would be.

Hope that clears up some confusion?

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#14 posted 08-30-2017 08:47 PM

Which is better, many holes along the tabletop, or a single 4” port on a back wall?

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#15 posted 08-31-2017 12:03 AM

Better illustration of choices:

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