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Geeyo

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08-17-2017 11:27 PM

Hey guys!! I am new in woodworking and I would like to get your opinions about jointers. I have looked at several models from different manufacturers and have read quite a few reviews about jointers and how to use them. I normally get my lumber from the big box stores and they are either bent or warped so I could use a good jointer. I looked around and I found the Cutech jointer model# 40180HC-CT with built-in table extensions and a spiral cutter head. Its a fairly new company according to reviews, but the jointer has decent reviews from the few that I found online. Some of the reviews I have read also suggested that the longer the jointer tables, the better. So I also looked at the grizzly G0656XW which is really nice but is also triple the price of the cutech jointer. I know the bed is much longer on the grizzly than the cutech(cutech is 33 1/2 in combined infeed and outfeed. With the table extended its 51inches combined for infeed and outfeed tables. The grizzly has 72inch combined infeed and outfeed table.) But if i build a sturdy table extension (some people even mentioned using extension rollers) to extend the infeed and outfeed tables on the cutech, would the cutech jointer be almost as good as the grizzly? Also the grizzly is larger than the cutech, so does that mean it has a stronger motor and operates more smoothly? Or is it just sturdier? The cutech is light and small so its easy to hide. And if i need to joint longer boards on the cutech I can just make table extensions for it(the cutech model# 40180HC-CT already comes with table extensions but its not long enough). Plus i cant really justify buying the grizzly since im only doing this as a hobby.

I can’t find much owner reviews on these 2 models. Does anyone have any personal experience with either of them? And what do you guys think about just building a table extension for use with longer boards instead of buying the bigger jointers? What advantages would i get from bigger jointers that the smaller ones don’t have other than longer infeed/outfeed tables? Oh and both cutech and the grizzly models have spiral cutter heads. But the grizzly has 40 carbide tips and the cutech only has 16.

You honest opinions are greatly appreciated.


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firefighterontheside

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#1 posted 08-17-2017 11:35 PM

I had a bench top jointer and I couldn’t make anything straight with it. I tried to make extensions, but that didn’t work. The extensions need to be perfectly flat and perfectly in plane with the indeed and outfeed. That’s hard to do. Once I bought an older grizzly g01182 with 46” bed I could make stuff straight. I would go with a long bed for sure. Have you looked for used. I paid 225 for mine.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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Aj2

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#2 posted 08-18-2017 12:17 AM

I agree with firefighter buy a jointer with long tables the longest tables you can afford .
My first jointer was a little short craftsman and I spend countless hours trying to keep outfeed and infeed tables coplaner.
Very frustrating .
My current jointer is 99 inches long and I can joint boards 10 ft long very close to perfect.
I like making tables so I will never go back.

-- Aj

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TungOil

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#3 posted 08-18-2017 12:56 AM

What type of projects do you plan to make? If you are making jewelry boxes, the tabletop might be all you need. If you are making conference tables, you will need something much larger. I think you will quickly be frustrated with a bench top model for anything but the smallest projects. I would recommend looking for a decent used 6” jointer, they come up frequently on CL. A jointer with a spiral cutter head is nice, but a straight knife head can be tuned to work well also.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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splintergroup

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#4 posted 08-18-2017 03:10 PM

A 6” jointer is more of a tool you buy on a whim. Cheap enough and not so hard to leave ignored in the corner if you rarely use it.

Go 8” and up, you start getting into the serious cash investment and shop floorspace territory.
Consider your needs carefully. You can begin with a 6” and upgrade later or jump “all-in” for a larger tool.

I have a 6” and will eventually upgrade, but 5 years ago I would have sold the 6” and never missed having a jointer.

That said, longer tables are always better (aside from taking up more space). Don’t think you can add extensions and make your own long tables. There is a reason for using lots of cast iron in these machines. I would not call the
slide outs on the Cutech “extensions”. They are really just board supports. When jointing a board, you need continuous support of the board until it has passed the blade.
Consider jointing a board with a warp that leaves only the ends contacting the table (the center is above the table surface (like an upside down smile). As soon as the board end passes the table end, it will fall into that gap before the extension.

I think the Cutech would be a handy unit for box making or jointing boards up to the length of the main table (30” ?). Beyond that, I think you would be disappointed.

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Geeyo

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#5 posted 08-19-2017 12:10 AM

Thanks for all the replies. I think everyone pretty much confirmed what I really wanted to get in the first place. I originally thought about getting myself the full size 72” jointer from Grizzly. But I just thought maybe if I built extension tables for the Cutech that it would work just the same. I’m sure the Cutech is a good machine but maybe fitted more for small projects like most of you mentioned in your replies.

It’s only been a year since I started tinkering with woodworking, so I can’t really say I’m more of a box maker or furniture maker, but I would like to be good with both skills someday. Right I just build things for use around the house (picnic table, shoe racks, TV stands, etc.). The last one I did was a simple twin size bed for my daughter which I had issues with because the 2×4 I got were warped.

I looked at the Cutech jointer because its more affordable and I could use it immediately. But I guess I can wait a little longer and save more $$$ for the grizzly and save myself the headache of messing around using short tables for bigger projects as most of you mentioned. After all, buying this jointer is a long term investment that I can benefit from for years to come. I just hope that the grizzly manufacturer is dependable.

I haven’t taken the option of looking into craigslist yet for a jointer. I do see used tools there every now and then. But since I haven’t owned a jointer before, I wouldn’t know if I’m buying a decent used machine that I can fixed and restore or just scrap metal.

Thanks again for your replies!!!

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firefighterontheside

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#6 posted 08-19-2017 01:26 AM

Feel free to go search craigslist for a jointer and come back here with what you find or let us know where you are and some of us will look. Do you have a planer? Jointer really goes hand in hand with a planer.

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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knotscott

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#7 posted 08-19-2017 12:05 PM

Small and portable might be convenient at times, but when it comes to woodworking tools, mass and stability are your friend. Unless you have a very tiny shop, or need to transport a tool for jobsite to jobsite on a daily basis, you’re better of with stationary tools IMO. Most portable tools use universal motors vs induction motors. The induction motors product more torque even if the alleged horsepower ratings are the same. Most portables also substitute plastics, pot metal, and aluminum where steel and cast iron will serve you better.

A spiral cutter head is a plus, but not a necessity. If price is a concern, I’d go with a traditional cutter head in order to gain a more substantial base machine in the first place. Upgraded cutter heads can usually be added at a later time if you still want to.

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Geeyo

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#8 posted 08-22-2017 02:24 AM

Thanks, firefighterontheside. I will have another look on CL to see what I can find. I am currently located in Winnipeg, Canada temporarily so my choices are a bit limited. I did look on CL for my area but nothing turned up. I will post on here if I’m successful on finding a used jointer to see if it’s a good deal.

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Geeyo

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#9 posted 08-22-2017 02:43 AM

You have a point knotscott. I have read reviews and as most of you pointed out that bigger are better in the case of a jointer. Although, I did ask Cutech and they said their jointer does have an induction motor. And I have read forums about a knife cutter head being loud and harder to adjust when changing knives. But it is a good option for now and I can just pay the difference of about $100 to upgrade to a spiral or a helical head later on.

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Kirk650

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#10 posted 08-22-2017 02:50 AM

I have a 6 inch Ridgid, and I replaced the cutter head with a spiral carbide head. Works great, and I have successfully used extensions. Ridgid used to make a slippery top outfeed support. And I bought a couple. Once set to the right height, which took a bit of set and reset, they worked great as infeed and outfeed supports. I was able to do some 7 foot tall bed posts.

That said, what everyone said about the longest jointer tables you can get is dead on accurate. And an 8 inch jointer would be great. I’d have one if I had room for it. And you really want the spiral carbide cutter head. Trust me. It’s fun spending your money.

But you can get along just fine with a basic 6 inch jointer with straight blades.

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a1Jim

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#11 posted 08-22-2017 04:21 AM

Over the years I’ve upgraded from 4”-6” then 6”-8” and now 12” grizzly with spiral head and 84 ” bed ,It has always made for easier and better jointing the longer the bed is. I have a number of Grizzly tools and have always been very happy with their tools and their customer service. If you buy a jointer with a 33” bed plan on upgrading in the near future unless you only plan on jointing shorter boards.

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jdh122

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#12 posted 08-22-2017 11:25 AM

In Canada you’ll do better on Kijiji than Craigslist.

This one would be a good jointer if you can get it for $650-700 (new its $1259). https://www.kijiji.ca/v-power-tool/winnipeg/8-king-jointer-800/1289161394


Thanks, firefighterontheside. I will have another look on CL to see what I can find. I am currently located in Winnipeg, Canada temporarily so my choices are a bit limited. I did look on CL for my area but nothing turned up. I will post on here if I m successful on finding a used jointer to see if it s a good deal.

- Geeyo


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Geeyo

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#13 posted 08-22-2017 09:55 PM

Thanks Kirk650! I will seriously take your advise and have fun spending my money. hahaha. But I also have to spend it wisely. My wife will kill me if I have to upgrade my tools every year. I’m so lucky that I got this far with all the tools I bought without having to build my own shack to sleep-in in the backyard. hehe. Funny that you mentioned the RIDGID line because I actually looked at their jointer also. But for the price, I think I’m getting a better deal with the grizzly 8” with 72”tables for almost the same price as the RIDGID. So far, the Grizzly really looks like the best option for now. And I can just choose to upgrade to a spiral cutter head later if I really want to get the jointer soon.

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Geeyo

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#14 posted 08-22-2017 10:09 PM

a1Jim, that’s exactly what I am trying to avoid. As much as I could I want to purchase something that I can keep for a while without having to upgrade. I’m not very good on selling my stuff online so chances are that the old tools will end up stashed somewhere just wasting away. Maybe a jointer that’s not too small and not too big will do. It is after all just a hobby for now. I just have to be patient and save for a decent jointer.

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Geeyo

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#15 posted 08-22-2017 10:13 PM

jdh122, I did look at that King jointer from Kijiji but I don’t know much about the manufacturer. I tried to look it up online and people said that it’s a Canadian brand and that its a decent jointer. I contacted the owner of the post, I’m just waiting for a response to find out the model # and maybe I can do more research about it online. Thanks for the heads up though!

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