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Forum topic by Notsquare posted 08-17-2017 04:45 PM 430 views 0 times favorited 8 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Notsquare

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08-17-2017 04:45 PM

Topic tags/keywords: jointer helical tune up tooling

I hope I am formatting this question right and posting in the right place, over all I am not looking for much besides some opinions and experiences from my fellow brethren.

Okay, some basics about my shop and life may help define my position. I have very little shop time. Most of it is spent doing small ply wood projects such as casework. My wife needs a new cabinet, I throw something together. So my wood working time is precious these days. As well as my energy and patience.

Currently, I have a jointer planner combo machine (Jet) straight knife (12 inch) when I got it, I was tickled pink. Just having a tool to mill lumber was a luxury I relished in. But as my skill improved and my projects got harder, I started redefining flat. As my time got shorter actually woodworking I got tooling envy. I’ve noticed I spend more time than I would like tuning up and changing blades. I use my jointer maybe once every few months, and when I do, it seems like I am moving the blades, changing the blades or fighting sniping problems. I’ve all but lost it. Every time I turn on youtube or go to another shop, I see fewer and fewer straight knife jointers. So I started reaching replacing the cutter head. But the cost of that is nearly 2k (Money is not too big of an issue for me just FYI it’s more about value) I can get a VERY nice 8inch spiral cutter for that money (Leaning towards Laguna) but… I then lose my planner, and maybe more devastating than that 1 footprint becomes 2, and I am in a two car garage. Needless to say, it’s a tight fit already. So then I go back to just getting the cutter head. But I have concerns. Is this tool good enough on its own to put a 2k cutter head on it? Am I going to get things more nearly flat that I demand? Will I ever want to upgrade to a long bed or a bigger machine? etc. So I am lost. I keep going back and forth, I am driving my wife insane, and I am starting to feel the pressure my self. I HATE turning up tools. I don’t want to spend my life fiddling with jointer knives and snipe in figured wood. I just want to build some tables and enjoy the craft.

Feel free to comment, suggest, or criticize

-- "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"


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Madmark2

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#1 posted 08-17-2017 06:03 PM

Plan for snipe – remove it with a cross cut saw.

Something is not right if you have to fiddle everytime you use the planer. Thus I would not invest $2k on a new cutterhead for it.

Get a new planer so you have someone to yell at if it won’t hold alignment.

M

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bbasiaga

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#2 posted 08-17-2017 06:10 PM

Agreed…i have not touched the knife position on my jointer or planer. Both were straight knife. So figure that out and keep what you have.

Don’t let the Internet get in your head too much. Perfection is the enemy of good enough. Especially with wood, which will shift and move no matter what shape your cutter head is.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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MrUnix

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#3 posted 08-17-2017 07:10 PM

The only time I touch the knives is when replacing them. If you are having to mess with yours every time you use the thing, then something ain’t right.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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pintodeluxe

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#4 posted 08-17-2017 08:02 PM

I prefer dedicated jointers for the longer beds. Longer jointer bed = straighter lumber.
Helical cutters are much nicer than straight knives. So far I’ve gone with a helical head for my planer, and the jointer is next. I find myself delaying and avoiding replacing the jointer knives because it’s such a pain to do. Even with a dial indicator/ Snapcheck I can only get to within 3-4 thousanths on the knives. When you tighten the gibs the knives move, so basically you wind up with a scalloped cut. Tearout is a big, big problem with the QSWO I typically use, and a helical head on the planer fixed that issue.

Flipping back and forth on a combo machine would drive me nuts. But then again I considered buying a second Sawstop to dedicate one to a dado blade setup (so consider the source when taking advise!)

-- Willie, Washington "If You Choose Not To Decide, You Still Have Made a Choice" - Rush

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MrUnix

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#5 posted 08-17-2017 08:14 PM

The stuff Willie wrote above is pretty machine dependent… not all are the same. The knives on mine are about the simplest things to replace on the planet, requiring only two wood blocks to get them dead-nuts accurate every time (and there are no gibs to tighten). And there is no switch-over either, as each has it’s own cutter head. YMMV and depends a lot on the machine.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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ArtMann

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#6 posted 08-18-2017 01:57 AM

I own the Jet JJP12-HH combo jointer/planer and it works great. It has the segmented spiral cutter head. I never do anything to it except cut wood. I would never go back to a machine with straight knives.

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runswithscissors

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#7 posted 08-18-2017 03:25 AM

Plus one for everything ArtMann said.

-- I admit to being an adrenaline junky; fortunately, I'm very easily frightened

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Notsquare

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#8 posted 09-21-2017 02:58 AM

Flipping back and forth sucks. It does drive me nuts. However, at this point, I am working in a 2 1/2 car garage. Between my massive bench and table saw, bandsaw and router table, I don’t think I can fit another tool in my shop. But I am more or less the same way. I want 2 of everything for more efficacy. The second I can have a shop like Frank Howarth I will. :P


I prefer dedicated jointers for the longer beds. Longer jointer bed = straighter lumber.
Helical cutters are much nicer than straight knives. So far I ve gone with a helical head for my planer, and the jointer is next. I find myself delaying and avoiding replacing the jointer knives because it s such a pain to do. Even with a dial indicator/ Snapcheck I can only get to within 3-4 thousanths on the knives. When you tighten the gibs the knives move, so basically you wind up with a scalloped cut. Tearout is a big, big problem with the QSWO I typically use, and a helical head on the planer fixed that issue.

Flipping back and forth on a combo machine would drive me nuts. But then again I considered buying a second Sawstop to dedicate one to a dado blade setup (so consider the source when taking advise!)

- pintodeluxe


-- "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"

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