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Forum topic by Adrian A posted 01-14-2011 07:28 PM 2321 views 0 times favorited 17 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Adrian A

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01-14-2011 07:28 PM

Ive been borrowing a nice Jet 1.5HP 52” Contractor Saw, and its about time I return it to my cousin.

My #1 Priority is Riving Knife.
My #2 is Dust Collection.

It seems like the sawstop does both of those great but I cant pull the trigger on that price tag. The Grizzy Polar bear G0691 at 3HP for $1399 looks perfect. Great riving knife and good price for what you get. http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-3HP-220V-Cabinet-Table-Saw-with-Long-Rails-Riving-Knife/G0691

I was about to buy it until i forgot about my number 2 priority dust collection. Last night I was making some cutting boards and trimming each edge to make sure they were perfectly square and my garage fills with dust and my shirt gets pummeled with maple, cherry, and walnut. Hate breathing that in. For the most part my 1.5HP Dust Collector gets most of the dust, but those trim cuts are brutal.

Do you think its worth an extra 1500 dollars for the fancy dust collector on the Saw Stop? (I know it comes with the sawstop feature, but thats not a priority for me). Also I use a CrossCut Sled alot and that dust collector im guessing wouldnt work when im using the sled. Whats your thoughts?


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PurpLev

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#1 posted 01-14-2011 07:33 PM

you can always fabricate an over-arm-blade-guard with DC incorporated in it tha will work with a sled regardlesse of which saw you get

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#2 posted 01-14-2011 07:47 PM

If you don’t care that much about the SS technology I would get a Grizzly and add blade guard dust collection. They make nice saws for the money. By the way, in my limited experience, my blade guard dust collection does an excellent job at collecting dust but little bits might be traveling too fast to be sucked up. So there is some debris on the table top no matter what on those trim cuts…but I’m not breathing dust. Also, I use a normal throat plate (instead of zero clearance) unless it’s necessary. More dust collection that way.

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Adrian A

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#3 posted 01-14-2011 07:55 PM

I also noticed for some reason that when I went from a Full Kerf to a Thin Kerf on my Contractor Saw, the dust coming from the top of the saw was even worse. I was using a ZCI on both cases.

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rep

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#4 posted 01-14-2011 08:00 PM

You can buy a over blade dust collector system for a lot less than 1500, so I would not buy the SawStop based on the dust collection aspect only.

The crosscut sled is probably going to impact any dust collection system to some extent.

-- rick

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Manitario

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#5 posted 01-14-2011 08:09 PM

check out the Excalibur overarm blade guard
http://www.general.ca/site_excalibur/e_produits/50-exbce.html
or the Shark guard
http://www.leestyron.com/G0690.php
both are a lot cheaper than a Sawstop, that said, the Sawstop is a pretty damn good TS, safety mechanism aside.

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#6 posted 01-14-2011 08:15 PM

I concur with other posters—First, I think you will notice that a cabinet saw will control dust much better than a contractor saw. My G0690 does fine for most dust. Second, an over-the-saw additional DC-connection can always be added without having to go with the SS route/cost.

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#7 posted 01-14-2011 09:07 PM

laanguiano:
You have less collection with a thin kerf blade because you use ZCI. ZCI by definition will have a smaller slot for the air to flow through; no flow, no capture.

I think I would rather have the much more beefy Grizzly cabinet saw than the SS contractor’s saw. But, having said that, if money were no object, I’d love to be able to afford the SS cabinet saw.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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Adrian A

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#8 posted 01-14-2011 09:16 PM

I was using a ZCI with my full kerf blade though too, so i would think the slot would of been equally the same tightness.

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#9 posted 01-14-2011 09:19 PM

I have the G0691 and don’t have much of a problem with dust. I use a jet DC. You can also buy a shark blade guard with overhead DC for the grizz at a very reasonable price. Check these out at Shark . I find the stock one to work pretty good…but if you want inexpensive additional help this is a good alternative.

The reason for the SS is for the blade stop….a very good idea….but up to each individual as to how much they want to spend for the protection….the SS was not available when I bought my TS so I did not have the problem of deciding…..I do love my Grizz saw though…it works like it should and the price was very good….I got free shipping on it also.

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#10 posted 01-14-2011 09:23 PM

I can’t pull the trigger on a new saw right now either, but I would like to improve dust collection on my current saw.

I am thinking about building one similar to the SUVA-style guard Steve Maskery shows in this post (see the 1st reply): http://lumberjocks.com/topics/6728

Instead of using a pipe like Steve did, I am planning to use an aluminum tube (salvaged from a flag pole), which should allow me to connect a vac or DC hose to it, using the tube as part of the dust collection system.

—Gerry

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HorizontalMike

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#11 posted 01-14-2011 09:25 PM

RE the ZCI: Why not drill one or two 3/4” finger holes in the same location as the OEM insert? This won’t harm the function of the ZCI and it will increase air flow you are concerned about. Remember the slots over the G0690 motor cover serve the same purpose. Just a thought…

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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#12 posted 01-14-2011 09:32 PM

I have to agree that the dust collection that comes with the Sawstop is not reason enough to buy the saw. The collection system on the Sawstop does work well but trim cuts, as you are describing, still will generate fugitive dust. The real value of the saw is in its quality construction and safety features.

And yes you are correct about the sled. Any saw is going to have dust emissions with a sled. However the blade shroud that the Sawstop has inside the cabinet of the saw for dust collection handles dust inside the cabinet pretty well, even when using a sled.

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Adrian A

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#13 posted 01-14-2011 10:41 PM

Hmm talked to a very smart guy at Grizzly and he suggested the G1023RLX over the G0691… and also said the blade shroud has a 2” port that links to the main 4” port for added dust collection. And said the arbor on then saw is a much better design.

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HorizontalMike

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#14 posted 01-14-2011 11:00 PM

Did Grizzly say that the G1023RLX was actually IN STOCK?

FWIW, THAT is the reason I have the G0690:

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/18174

http://lumberjocks.com/topics/23469

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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knotscott

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#15 posted 01-14-2011 11:04 PM

I agree with PurpLev…overhead dust collection is going to make the biggest difference in DC. Then buy the best saw for your money.

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