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Marpel

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08-11-2017 02:47 AM

Good day,

I have just purchased a new table saw (CWI Stallion) and have a question about the OEM throat plate (that I thought would have been an easy-to-find answer – but no) that I am hoping someone can answer.

For ease of explanation, I will refer to the end of the plate nearest the operator as the bottom and the opposite end as the top. The plate has eight levelling set-screws around its perimeter, with four located towards the four corners. Except for one set-screw, all screws are accessible from above by the operator. The exception is in the top left corner where the screw is located in the underside of the plate (so the plate has to be removed for access). Also, at the top end of the plate, there is a half-round piece of thin (maybe 1/8th inch) flat metal that sits inset in the plate and flush with the plate surface. To better describe this piece, it conforms to the rounded part of the plate and just as the plate straightens out the piece is cut straight across the plates width.

I understand that the perimeter set-screws are used to level the plate with the table, however I don’t understand what the semi-circular piece is for, why the top left screw is only accessible by lifting out the plate and what this screw does. I presume it raises and lowers the semi circular piece but don’t understand why and especially why in only one corner. My old saw had set screws around the plates perimeter as well, but they were all accessible from the top and seemed to work just fine in flushing the plate with the table top.

I visited the store where I purchased the saw (it is specific to the store and not a common brand sold in other stores) to ask, but no-one could provide an answer (in fact they didn’t even seem to realize the plate was as I have described).

Thanks in advance,

Marv


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bobkberg

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#1 posted 08-11-2017 04:22 AM

Hi Marv,

Would you be so kind as to post some photos? I have no idea based on what you said, other than that the inaccessible set screw might be related to some optional feature on the saw – just a guess.

Regards,

Bob

-- Bob www.singularengineering.com - A sideline, not how I earn a living

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Marpel

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#2 posted 08-11-2017 05:04 AM

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your response.

I doubt the screw in question is related to an optional feature of the saw as it is actually set into the underside face of the plate (When the plate is in place, the screw faces up from the underside of the plate while the other screws face down and are set into the top face and when I remove the plate, that screw comes with it).

I guess my initial explanation was a bit confusing.

As it is getting late here, I will grab some photos in the morning and see if I can post them.

Cheers,

Marv

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Rick_M

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#3 posted 08-11-2017 05:13 AM



... but don t understand why…

I visited the store where I purchased the saw (it is specific to the store and not a common brand sold in other stores) to ask, but no-one could provide an answer (in fact they didn t even seem to realize the plate was as I have described).

Thanks in advance,

Marv

- Marpel

Doesn’t make sense to me either. Is there any mention in the manual? If not, I would contact the manufacturer although I wouldn’t be surprised if someone here has the answer. Surprising variety of knowledge on this site.

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Marpel

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#4 posted 08-11-2017 07:24 PM

Rick,

The manual is a whole different issue. As noted initially, the saw is a CWI Stallion, 1.5 hp. However, the manual that came with the saw (both saw and manual in a sealed wooden crate from the factory, although I picked up the crate from the retail outlet here in Port Coquitlam and only uncrated it once at home) indicates it is for a Sears Craftsman 2 hp. The manual is the worst document I have ever read. It is full of spelling/grammatical errors, has some incorrect directions and is absent any information about the throat plate, and some other components. Prior to the throat plate issue, I returned to the store and questioned the manual authenticity, I was informed that the factory (in Taiwan) drafted the manual and, although the store employee had been pestering head office for a proper manual over the last three years, the manual “is what it is”. It looked like someone in Taiwan, who knows rudimentary English, translated a Chinese document into English. The weird thing is, this is a pretty good quality saw (I did mega research prior to purchase) at a pretty decent price and CWI has some top end stuff, so go figure.

Bob,

Still working on the photos and trying to figure an easy way to post them (without opening a Photobucket account).

Marv

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Marpel

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#5 posted 08-11-2017 07:28 PM

Should have mentioned in my previous post, the employee who I have been dealing with, is the son of the company’s owner (multi-generation family business) and I would suspect if he doesn’t know much about the throat plate, I doubt I will easily find someone in the company who does.

Marv

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MrUnix

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#6 posted 08-11-2017 07:47 PM

Maybe post a picture so we can see what you are talking about… although, that is one of the problems purchasing little known imported machines. Parts can be problematic, manuals are usually worthless, support is spotty at best. If it were me, and since it apparently has no real purpose, I’d just ignore it.

Cheers,
Brad

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Goodsh

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#7 posted 08-12-2017 01:13 AM

I looked at the same saw you got but ended up getting the Craftex CX208. It has the same issue and I have no idea why. Other than being annoying it’s not a big deal. I didn’t bother calling support because they were useless with other questions I had. I have a suggestion for your manual though. I shopped around a lot at the time and discovered that the CX208, General International 50-200, Magnum 50-200 (KMS Tools in house brand) and the Stallion are essentially the exact same saw except the stallion is 1.5 hp and has a slightly better fence. KMS and Canadian Woodworker used to sell the General stuff but had such terrible supply problems that they both developed their own brands using the same designs and factory. KMS didn’t even bother changing the model number! Apparently General had major disputes with the factory which has made it hard to get a lot of General equipment lately. Anyway, the saws all look the same and the diagrams are identical. The Craftex manual was okay. The Magnum and the General manuals are available online so I printed them off as well. None of them are great on their own but put them together and they make a pretty good manual! There were things completely missing from mine that were perfectly covered by others. Links:

https://m.kmstools.com/images/pdfs/manuals/MI-51100M.pdf

http://www.general.ca/pdf/machines/50_tablesaw/50-200R_ENG.pdf

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Goodsh

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#8 posted 08-12-2017 02:26 AM

Here are pics of mine. Seems like this would be more work to create than just doing it properly…

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Marpel

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#9 posted 08-12-2017 02:42 AM

Brad,

As mentioned earlier, I am trying to post a picture but this site suggests using Photobucket, which as far as I can tell, Photobucket requires a subscription fee for linked images. I’m not willing to pay Photobucket a price just to post one or two images. I’m not real familiar with these things but I post on another forum (photography) where including images in a post is pretty simple and straightforward. So, still working on that.

Re your comment about “little known imported”, when looking for a new saw, I was told by a couple employees at CWI that as a result of disappointment the management had with other saws they used to sell, CWI designed and developed a new saw (Stallion brand) exclusive to them. Little did I know that the Stallion is just a rebranded copy of something else. Had I only known. In fact, the manual link for the KMS Magnum that Goodsh provides above is the exact same manual that I have, including some of the same spelling errors (actually the LMS manual is cleaned up a bit more than mine) and schematic drawings.

Goodsh,

Thanks for going to the trouble of providing the links.

And are you saying that you have the same throat plate that I have described?? If so, how did you manage to level the plate with the saw surface, especially in the corner that has the unique screw? Or were you referring to another “annoying” issue?

Marv

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Marpel

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#10 posted 08-12-2017 02:45 AM

Goodsh,

Seems you posted those photos at the exact time I was preparing and posting my latest comments. Yes, that is the exact same throat plate, and thanks much for the photos.

Marv

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AlaskaGuy

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#11 posted 08-12-2017 03:09 AM

Yes, stay way from Photobucket to use as a device for posting/ embedding photos in a forum like this. If you take that route they will want 399.00 a year to do that.

The easiest (if you have a desk top) is to post them straight from you computer to LJ.

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Goodsh

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#12 posted 08-12-2017 04:08 AM

The screw that is only accessible from underneath is a normal set screw except basically installed upside down so it instead of easily being able to adjust the plate from above while installed it takes some trial and error with having to removing it for adjusting that one screw from underneath. Annoying but not that big a deal. Beyond me why they would do this.

Yeah, I remember reading on the site a long time ago about how to attach pictures the instructions were for photobucket or other photo sites but you can actually just attach direct from your computer and it’s super easy.

At any rate I have heard good things about the Stallion and it has some very good reviews out there. Like I said, mine is pretty much the same thing and I’m happy with it. Not perfect but for an entry level cabinet/hybrid saw it’s great and was a good price. Enjoy!

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Marpel

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#13 posted 08-12-2017 05:31 AM

Goodsh,

Initially, I sort of thought that screw wasn’t used to move the throat plate up or down but to move that semi-circular piece up or down in relation to the rest of the plate, but not sure why that would be the case. I am away from home now for a day or two, or I would take a closer look at it to see if that small section would move if the screw was turned all the way in (but it seems that you have studied it enough to determine that it only raises or lowers the corner of the plate).

I’m one of those OCD types that “needs” to know the answer to a question and it bugs the heck out of me when the people who produce the product don’t even know the answer.

As to the quality of the saw, itself, it sure beats the heck out of the one it replaces, seems well built and solid and didn’t cost a fortune so I’m so far satisfied (and one of the big things was it only needs 120 rather than 240 (or 110/220, whatever they have up here in Canada).

Regards,

Marv

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Goodsh

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#14 posted 08-12-2017 02:31 PM

Honestly, I never bothered thinking about it all that much. Figured it would be like trying to get understand why the rear fence holes were in the wrong place! And I could think of no good reason to raise the back part separately. The thing should sit flat without the back part deflecting up. But now you’ve got me curious so I tried and it turns out that piece is just glued on (it’s not a hardened glue but is sticky and holds it in place). The screw will initially lift up the back edge up and if you keep screwing eventually starts lifting the whole thing up. I didn’t pull it all the way off as I didn’t want to make a mess or have to clean and reglue it. Once I saw the whole thing lifting off I just lowered the screw and pushed it back together and it’s still sticky enough to hold in place.

If you figure out a reason I’ll be happy to hear it!

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unbob

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#15 posted 08-12-2017 03:39 PM

Something I learned in the machine shop- if you are trying to level something, use only three points to start.
Start with the blind screw, adjust it so the edge of the plate is flush with the top, then pick out two other screws that will best support the plate, those two screws will easily level the plate. The other screws are then brought into light contact for support.
It would be very difficult to level the plate adjusting all the screws to begin….start with three.

Good luck on that, I heard somewhere, those are good saws.

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