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amateur77

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08-07-2017 09:37 PM

I want to purchase a good quality manual mitre saw that is actually a good quality tool and can produce excellent results- it will be used for trim work mostly but also for some regular mitre saw usage when I will be working away from power outlet.
I currently got a nobex champion 180 which supposedly is the top-of-the-range-stuff ,and quite expensive as well. I bought it because it got good reviews and people were suggesting it- but it’s one of the worst quality tools I have ever bought and I regret that purchase everytime I use that tool. ( stuff that has already broken on it- 2x handles/one guide/both clamps/support piece )+ It doesn’t cuts anywhere near square so it’s only good for very rough cutting which defeats its purpose. Very good ideas – but very bad execution on that tool!

I don’t mind buying something vintage &chunky and restoring if needed but I’m after a real quality tool as I really like this kind of tool and I’m using it quite frequently,the nobex will go straight to dump after I get something better – so I don’t want another saw from that manufacturer.


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Johnny7

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#1 posted 08-08-2017 05:37 AM

You’ll get various opinions here (much like Ford vs Chevy) split between Millers Falls and Stanley. I’m partial to the latter, myself.

But, if you want an education, go HERE and start reading

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theoldfart

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#2 posted 08-08-2017 12:22 PM

And I’ll take the former :-).

7 is correct, most of the vintage ones will work well. Read the thread, there is a lot of information, experience and of course opinions.

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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dhazelton

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#3 posted 08-08-2017 12:32 PM

The saw you have gets great reviews and on Amazon it’s “Guaranteed accuracy to 0.08 degrees.” Something must be amiss with it. Did you have it from new? Was it ever dropped or damaged? Maybe it can be sorted out – $200ish new is not a cheap tool.

Maybe you can go to Amazon and post a question to the owners who give it a 5 star review.

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gargey

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#4 posted 08-08-2017 12:41 PM

No offense, but you probably suck at using the tool. I have a Nobex Champion 180 and use it to get flawless, exact cuts all the time.

How on earth did you manage to break “2x handles/one guide/both clamps/support piece”???

You must have been operating it like a Gorilla.

Helpful hint #1: I did buy a few different blades, including an ultrafine (which I have not yet used), and the japanese style blade that cuts much quicker than the standard blade, and still leaves a surface that looks damn near handplaned.

Helpful hint #2: I sunk threaded inserts into my workbench, and screw the saw down before I use it, which totally completely immobilizes it. Boards are very securely clamped with multiple clamps before I saw them.

Helpful hint #3: Learn how to use a handsaw. This is not an insult, there is a lot of technique to it and it takes some practice. Using a miterbox doesn’t cancel it out.

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Ron Aylor

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#5 posted 08-08-2017 02:52 PM

 
I’m partial to the AylorMade Miterblock 2000 ™ myself … perfect miters all the time!
 

 
 
... LOL!

-- Ron in Lilburn, Georgia.  Knowing how to use a tool is more important than the tool in and of itself.

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amateur77

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#6 posted 08-08-2017 08:57 PM



No offense, but you probably suck at using the tool. I have a Nobex Champion 180 and use it to get flawless, exact cuts all the time.

How on earth did you manage to break “2x handles/one guide/both clamps/support piece”???

You must have been operating it like a Gorilla.

Helpful hint #1: I did buy a few different blades, including an ultrafine (which I have not yet used), and the japanese style blade that cuts much quicker than the standard blade, and still leaves a surface that looks damn near handplaned.

Helpful hint #2: I sunk threaded inserts into my workbench, and screw the saw down before I use it, which totally completely immobilizes it. Boards are very securely clamped with multiple clamps before I saw them.

Helpful hint #3: Learn how to use a handsaw. This is not an insult, there is a lot of technique to it and it takes some practice. Using a miterbox doesn t cancel it out.

- gargey

You are very much welcome to have a go with mine :D Either you have only used it once or twice or are only cutting some small sticks with it or…mine was a turd from a factory… either way those handles are made out of cheese and you can see almost everyone complaining about that tool because of the terrible handles + there are so many other things where they have just cut corners and tried to save money when making it, so yeah….

I screw it down as well when using it as you can’t use it really any other way.

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amateur77

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#7 posted 08-08-2017 09:02 PM


The saw you have gets great reviews and on Amazon it s “Guaranteed accuracy to 0.08 degrees.” Something must be amiss with it. Did you have it from new? Was it ever dropped or damaged? Maybe it can be sorted out – $200ish new is not a cheap tool.

Maybe you can go to Amazon and post a question to the owners who give it a 5 star review.

- dhazelton

Well I have taken mine apart completely 2times ,greased it up and wasted quite a lot of time with it to find a fault why it doesn’t cuts straight… I just don’t see anything wrong with it… except the sub-par build quality all over on it which probably explains why. Over $200 for a such a simple tool is an insane amount and that’s the thing, you would expect quality product for that sort of money but it’s not really the case sadly :(

I don’t really want to ramble around and whine anymore how shit the nobex is, but just want to find something better and more quality :)

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Loren

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#8 posted 08-08-2017 09:48 PM

You might want to start with something like
a Stanley no. 150. You can use a variety
of back saws in it. A fine modern back saw
may make your sawing happy.

In terms of perfecting miters you may
want to investigate miter trimmers, miter
jacks and shooting boards.

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#9 posted 08-08-2017 11:36 PM



And I ll take the former :-).

7 is correct, most of the vintage ones will work well. Read the thread, there is a lot of information, experience and of course opinions.

- theoldfart

Kevin—I thought for sure you were going to bring up Goodell-Pratt boxes!

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theoldfart

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#10 posted 08-08-2017 11:41 PM

I thought I’d keep it simple.

Millers Falls = Langdon or Langdon improved or New Langdon improved or Goodell Bros or Goodell Mfg or Goodell Pratt or Millers Falls ad nauseum.

Yes I prefer the Goodell All Steel! But I’m not a collector(mostly).

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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donald_wa

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#11 posted 08-09-2017 04:01 AM

Kevin, I’ with you. I only have six at present, but I’ll go to one of my Goodell’s first. After that it’s MF followed by my lone Stanley. I did all the trim work on my son’s house with my oldest Goodell.

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theoldfart

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#12 posted 08-09-2017 10:55 AM

He he, I have a few more than you. I only have two, no three, Stanleys. Two of the three are very early collectible ones, before Stanley added model numbers. All the others are from the MF family.

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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gargey

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#13 posted 08-09-2017 11:50 AM


You are very much welcome to have a go with mine :D Either you have only used it once or twice or are only cutting some small sticks with it or…

either way those handles are made out of cheese and you can see almost everyone complaining about that tool because of the terrible handles

I’ve used it hundreds of times to cut boards large and small, FYI. It is my principal crosscutting saw.

I agree it would be nice if the saw came with a better handle. I tightened it once soon after assembly and haven’t had to since.

FWIW, problems with the handle seem to confirm my suspicion that you’re putting way too much torque on the thing. All types of handsawing (miter box or not) benefit from smooth sawing and letting the blade do the work.

Best of luck with your future miter box.

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OleGrump

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#14 posted 08-09-2017 12:23 PM

At the risk of tar and feathers, I’ll say that I have been quite happy with a vintage Craftsman miter box that I picked up a few years ago at a yard sale for ten bucks. Of course, we all know that “Craftsman” tools were actually made by “name” companies for Sears. BTW, The backsaw for the miter box cost just under $30, so the total cost was pretty reasonable. That being said, and admittedly being a “tool-a-holic”, I keep my eyes open for other good miter boxes which may come my way…..
Related topic. How do y’all support the stock you’re sawing in the miter box? I spent TOO much time dreaming up and drawing ALL kinds of contraptions which would allow me support stock to be sawn in either my power miter saw OR the manual box. Finally, the K.I.S.S. system won out, and I made a pair of wooden puppets which clamp onto saw horses, and mounted the respective saws on wood of varying thicknesses which will keep their beds level with the puppets, while the saws are clamped in a Workmate. Space saving aside, I can place the saw horses either both on one side for sawing long stock, on one on each side like a “chop saw” stand.

-- OleGrump

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theoldfart

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#15 posted 08-09-2017 01:13 PM

Grump, I think Millers Falls made some of the C’man boxes.

-- "With every tool obtained, there is another that is needed" DonW ( Kevin )

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