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08-06-2017 03:38 PM

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Ok I’m finally going to start building my first shop! I am probably going to have a lot of questions as I start this journey. Any and all info is greatly appreciated ! One of the most important things to me is dust collection in my shop!!! I have the option to blow the fine dust straight out my shop. My question to everyone is do I still need a cyclone system I have a jet 1.5hp with the 30 micron bags I know the 30 micron bags SUCK but (I picked this almost new collector for $100.00 I couldn’t get to his house fast enough) my dust collector will have its own room out of the shop with a plexiglass window so I can see the bags and empty as needed! Also it is mounted the bottom of a rolling stand. Would it be better to build a mount so it can pump straight into the bags instead of up from the bottom?
Thanks
Jacky

-- Jacky, Georgia


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#1 posted 08-06-2017 03:54 PM

It your collector is isolated from the shop, the 30 micron bag will be fine. You should still consider some kind of separator ahead of the DC to prevent any larger pieces of stuff from hitting the impeller and causing any possible damage.

-- I'm not clumsy.. It's just the floor hates me, the tables and chairs are bullies, the wall gets in the way AAANNNDDD table saws BITE my fingers!!!.. - Mike -

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#2 posted 08-06-2017 09:57 PM

Who me thanks I want everything to right when I build my shop!

-- Jacky, Georgia

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#3 posted 08-06-2017 10:11 PM

The answer really depends on what you’re looking for. Dust collection for health concerns or chip collection to help keep the shop clean?

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#4 posted 08-06-2017 10:30 PM



The answer really depends on what you re looking for. Dust collection for health concerns or chip collection to help keep the shop clean?

- AZWoody

Defiantly health concerns I don’t want the fine dust in my shop! I would rather have a shop full of chips instead of a shop full of dust I can’t really see! That’s why I am putting the dust collector outside of my shop to cut down on dust that can escape the bags. I’m by no means a dust collection expert but I can defiantly listen, take advice, and follow instructions so any info or help would be greatly appropriated ! Thanks in advance!


-- Jacky, Georgia

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#5 posted 08-07-2017 01:55 AM

Will you have an open door or other way to supply the make up air that the dust collector exhausts out of your shop? If make up air is not feasible, you really should consider getting better bags from American Filter and keeping the DC in the shop.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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#6 posted 08-07-2017 02:32 AM

There will be make up air avalible through a filtered air system.

-- Jacky, Georgia

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#7 posted 08-07-2017 11:49 AM

Jacky, just to get you ready for what might happen: even a world class DC doesn’t catch all the fine dust. So you may well still wind up with a coating of dust on stuff and in the air as you work. Your plan of putting the DC in another room is the best option, but capturing all the dust will probably take more air flow than that DC can handle. Even so, you will have a reasonably good setup and should serve you well enough.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#8 posted 08-07-2017 01:08 PM

Jacky,

I am not sure how much you know about dust collection, but you indicate it is very important. So I am sorry to tell you the Jet you purchased (the same machine I use to have) is inadequate for ‘important’ dust collection. As mentioned above there is chip collection and fine dust collection. Depending on the size of your shop and the size of the ducts used (and length), that Jet may not even perform chip collection very well (especially with a bag filter). There are plenty of “opinions” on performance of a particular DC like, “this has great suction”, it feels more powerful than my old unit”, “once I did X my airflow feels like it doubled”. None of these comments are based on much of anything. Very few people have equipment to test results. Myself, I only have a hand held meter which is not accurate ( but use it for relative measurements). Even fewer people that do share test data have accurate equipment. This forces most of use to rely on magazine reviews for information (and even that is subject to discussion about setup, etc.).

So your $100 purchase seems like a steal (which it was for that machine), but it is an entry level chip collector and not ideal for large ducted systems. The Jet 1100 with a clean bag and a very short pipe attached will barely provide 600CFM (you want closer to 800CFM to start providing finer dust filtration). Add dust to the filter bag and realistic piping and you will barely get 400CFM (basic chip collection).

Again the size of the shop and the length of ducts is important to know where to start. You also did not mention the types of tools you use. As Fred will tell you a drum sander is a challenge for any dust collection system.

You may benefit from your great buy by selling it at a profit and investing in a larger unit. What size will depend on your needs.

Hope that helps. Let us know what you do.

Carl

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#9 posted 08-07-2017 01:33 PM

Thanks for all of the advice and information guys I think I am just going to suck it up and buy the system Bill P. Designed and clearvue builds.might as well just do it right the first time or just make time to do it over! I am glad you all took the time to read and answer my questions thanks again!!!

-- Jacky, Georgia

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#10 posted 08-07-2017 01:50 PM

Just a suggestion: if you buy the CV system, get the optional 16” impeller. It’s really not that much more expensive and makes a big difference in air flow. You didn’t mention ductwork, plan on 6” to all the tools. One last thing about the CV system, they usually have “bundle deals” around the end of the year so it might be worthwhile to wait if at all possible.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#11 posted 08-07-2017 02:12 PM

I am defiantly going to use 6in duct to the machines I will go bigger if possible! It’s not going to be a lot of duct work because I have two shopsmith, 1 scrollsaw and a 12.5in planer also all of the other small odds and end tools! I have to build a custom dust collection hood for the shopsmith! I can defiantly wait until the end of the year for the bundle deal because I currently use the 7500 series 3m fine particular dust mask while I’m working (yes I wear it all day while I’m standing in my current work area) so waiting won’t be a problem

-- Jacky, Georgia

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