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jmkeuning

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08-04-2017 02:00 AM

The upper blade assembly on my central machinery 14” bandsaw.

Do you have any opinions on which I should get? The made in USA ebay part is interesting, but is it stiff enough?

There is one on Amazon, the ACCURA complete upper blade guide for 14” band saw
https://goo.gl/w35sRy
$53

Then this ebay option, Imported 14” Band Saw – Ball Bearing Guide
https://goo.gl/MXR1ob
$57

Or I could just get the broken part from ebay for $31
https://goo.gl/ZnBSG9


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MrUnix

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#1 posted 08-04-2017 02:04 AM

You have already spent way too much money on that thing, so I would go for the cheapest option.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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jmkeuning

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#2 posted 08-04-2017 02:21 AM



You have already spent way too much money on that thing, so I would go for the cheapest option.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix

Can’t tell if you are trolling me. Or the saw. Most people don’t count the sunk costs when making a decision like this. Unless you are saying the saw is going to be unusable no matter what I do to it. In which case that’s a valid opinion and I will take that into consideration. I can certainly trash it and start over.

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#3 posted 08-04-2017 02:29 AM

I’m just saying that you have already sunk way too much money into that saw for what it is, so I wouldn’t keep throwing more money at it. The cheaper option is specifically for your saw, so it should work fine, correct? The first two may or may not work for you – those guides are not generic and you generally can’t take them from one machine and expect it to work on a different one. Would hate to see you spend more money just to find out that it won’t work on your machine.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#4 posted 08-04-2017 02:52 AM

Agree with Brad. I own many things from HF, however, a supplier of fine machinery it is not. If you’re willing and financially able to “trash it and start over” in a worse-case scenario, I’d pretend this is a worse case scenario and start over with a different brand of saw – especially if this is a tool that gets a lot of use. You could still buy the cheapest part and put the saw on craigslist. Someone will buy it, don’t trash it.

Again, I buy from HF all the time. But with that store – it is what it is. I bought a 12-inch sliding miter saw from HF just to do crown molding throughout my house and I thought if it survived that job (which it did) I’d consider myself lucky for further use. I don’t use the miter saw for much of anything now. If I did, I would have bought one elsewhere.

Regardless, I wish you good luck

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jmkeuning

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#5 posted 08-04-2017 03:07 AM

I don’t want to be defensive, I just want to make sure that I am listening to reason. A 12” sliding miter saw is a totally different animal than a bandsaw.

So let me reset this conversation. Between the two styles of blade guide assemblies, which is preferred? Regarding the compatibility – I have measured the various offsets and I’m good. I have also worked it out with both sellers – I can return it if it does not fit.

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#6 posted 08-04-2017 03:31 AM

IMO, the ball bearing guides are a waste of money, and will cost you more in the long run due to having to replace them fairly frequently (as compared to standard HSS metal guide blocks). Ditto with ‘cool blocks’.

You may find this article interesting – a comparison of after-market roller guides by Jim Mattson over at the Woodworkers Gazette.

A properly setup machine will work just fine with standard guides. Here is the obligatory band saw tune up video that you should watch if you haven’t already:

Band Saw Clinic with Alex Snodgrass

And to put things in perspective… by the time you spend the additional $31 for that guide above, you will have spent more on that saw than what it cost new (w/20% off coupon). Here is a snapshot of the HF web site from 2006 for the machine:

For comparison, I’ve picked up two Delta 14” machines in the past few years – both cost me $85 each, and are what the HF (and all other cast iron 14” saws) were cloned from. Generally, the purpose of buying used is to get a better built machine at a significantly reduced price from new. Getting one cheap and then having to sink a bunch of money into it kind of negates that goal.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Loren

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#7 posted 08-04-2017 03:55 AM

I think the ball bearing guides may be more
hassle than they are worth, but I don’t
see how trashing the saw over a missing
$31 part makes sense.

I would just get the part and put the saw
to work. If you want to sit on a broken
machine looking for a buyer while you
search for a Delta or whatever that’s another
matter.

I had an off-brand Taiwan band saw when
I was starting out and it was pretty crappy,
but I never made a serious effort to tune
it up. It wouldn’t surprise me if the HF saw
is pretty lame, but some people seem pleased
with them so perhaps it’s not a lost cause.

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#8 posted 08-04-2017 07:50 PM



I don t want to be defensive, I just want to make sure that I am listening to reason. A 12” sliding miter saw is a totally different animal than a bandsaw.

- jmkeuning

As far as HF quality goes, there is no difference. They simply aren’t well-built machines made to last under a lot of use. Or little use – I bought a nail gun from HF that stopped working after a couple days. Bought a tool stand that’s wobbly and horrible. But without hesitation I’ve bought a sliding miter, jigsaw, heat gun, reciprocating saw, ROS, air compressor, hammer drill and lots of other things from HF that I might use once every 2-3 months? Sometimes once a year? So I don’t care. It’s a crapshoot with that store and I accept that going in. I’ve got a 17” bandsaw I use all the time. Buying a bandsaw from HF was never gonna happen. But, again, this is my case. I’m not telling you to be like me.

All I’m saying is think about the use you expect from the saw. If it suits your purposes fix it and keep it. And if you go that route, I vote for cheapest fix option.

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patcollins

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#9 posted 08-04-2017 08:17 PM

You can always make a guide like this.

http://woodgears.ca/bandmill/guides.html

I replaced my steel guides with ones made from hardwood and they work quite well.

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#10 posted 08-05-2017 12:09 AM

I bought a HF 32208 bandsaw over 15 years ago with a riser. The castings are the same as the Delta castings. The castings are rougher ground than the higher end machinery. Plus the add-ons like the motor, guides, fence and the rest are cheaper than those used in the name brands. But with a little tinkering it gets a person in the game. I know my bandsaw well and it does everything I ask of it. I resaw near 12 inch oak, cut circles, cut veneer and simple straight cuts & curves. I am retired and do not foresee a need for a larger capacity machine so this one is a keeper for me.

I still have the original guides on the machine but if I had to replace the upper one only, that $57 one up there looks good to me. It is American made. It seems to be good quality. I would not worry about the bolt breaking.

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#11 posted 08-05-2017 12:14 AM

If you don’t need the machine tomorrow I agree that you would be best served by finding a better saw. I picked up a Delta for $75. Recently I got an 18 inch Sears/Parks for $50!!!

If you need to get that back up and running spend the money on the better casting. The OEM part looks waaaaaay too thin to be sturdy.

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jmkeuning

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#12 posted 08-05-2017 02:14 PM



.., I picked up a Delta for $75. Recently I got an 18 inch Sears/Parks for $50!!!...

Another report of the elusive <$100 Delta Unicorn Saw.

I will buy every $75 Delta that I can find. I will also buy every $85 Delta that I find.

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#13 posted 08-05-2017 06:33 PM

Another report of the elusive <$100 Delta Unicorn Saw.
- jmkeuning

Elusive – yes. But obviously they exist (while Unicorns do not).

If you decide to go with one of the first two guides, just make sure it will attach properly to your post, line up with your blade, and has the ability to re-attach the blade guard. I don’t see any way to mount the guard on them, but can’t really tell from those pictures. Some in-field modifications may be required going that route. You may get lucky, or you may just be asking for more headaches and work than necessary.

Once you get it working and tuned up, it may be perfect for you. Or you can use the opportunity to keep an eye out for an upgrade down the road. Most of the really good deals you will run across are found when you don’t have a pressing need and are not really looking :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#14 posted 08-05-2017 11:57 PM

It was 3 phase. A realtor was emptying a commercial space. But he through in a single phase Delta floor model drill press for $40.

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