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sgtsprout

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1301 days ago

So I have kind of allot of questions and think maybe I should of broken it up. I’ll apologize now for the long post. I have a good amount of tools going now. But am ready to put in another $1,000 into the shop. I have the following so far;
Workbench
Craftsman Bench Sander
Craftsman Bench Drill Press
Jet JWL-1220 Lathe
Jet Oscillating Spindle Sander
Delta 14” Band Saw
Milwaukee 10” Compound Sliding Miter Saw
Craftsman Grinder
Powermatic Mortiser
Jet CTAS-10 Cabinet Saw
Craftsman Router and Cabinet
Penn State 1 HP DC

Attached is my current shop set up but I may also rearrange some things. For example I have a DC but not ductwork right now other than the flexible hoses that does not reach every tool. I do not have an planer or jointer (Hand or power). I was thinking I need a jointer and planer now and ductwork as my higher priorities. I was thinking I may go with a hand plane like a Veritas or LN jointer plan bevel up seems to be get high praise here.

I am in deed a craigslist junkie so I am aware I can get nice deals. I am hoping folks here can help point me in the right direction what maybe you’ll might get next.

I want to get into turning smaller bowls and flat items. Maybe hollow items as well. I have chisels but not the ones I need. Nor do I have a good chuck for my lathe. So that is also on my list.

I have build allot of small furniture using the box store or getting my lumber surfaced at my local sawmill or with the help of a friend. I would like to start surfacing and dimensioning my own lumber in my own shop though. So I mess with anything from craft type items to larger furniture like tables. I’d like to make these jobs easier and more fun. I am not against using hand tools to get there either. I cut my dovetails by hand now as it is.

Then there is the wants. I love the Festool domino. Do I need it? Probably not when I can just cut mortise and tennon joints. But I bet it would make joints easier. Then there is some better dust collection ducting. I’d like to get some ducting going and some flexible ducting to make my life easier and maybe healthier.

But am a realist and realize a grand will add up quickly. Please let me know your thoughts. If any suggestions on hand planes I would love to hear about the most versatile one that I can use for edge surfacing and some planning. But everything I hear most folks seem to have multiple hand planes. Smoothers, and everything. So help a beginner out if you’re so inclined and let me know how you would spend my money.

I can not thank everyone enough in advance for everyone’s thoughts and help. This place is a wealth of knowledge and I truly appreciate the help.

-- "There are no gains without pains." -Benjamin Franklin


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Don

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#1 posted 1301 days ago

It all depends on the type of work you’re doing. I’m surprised you don’t already have a planer and a jointer considering all the other tools you have. I’d nearly always put those and a table saw at the top of a list when setting up a shop. The Dominoe would be a really nice addition but IMHO, the cost put’s it on the list of nice to have luxury tools, especially when you have a mortisor. A planer and jointer will give you a lot more flexibility in the wood you can buy and can save you a great deal of time over hand tools. That will likely save you enough money to cover the cost of them.

-- Don - I wood work if I could. Redmond WA.

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8iowa

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#2 posted 1301 days ago

Keep in mind the fact that 236 sq. ft. is going to give you significant limitations. It would be difficult to have a cabinet saw, jointer, and planer set in fixed positions. Mobility is going to be necessary, as will a place in your shop that will be “center stage”. With tool mobility, hard piping dust collector systems lose their utility. You are going to need all the wall space that you can get for shelves and cabinets.

With a 1HP dust collector, it should be possible to keep the necessary air stream velocity of 3500 ft/min in a 2 1/2” x 16’ flexible hose. This should reach your tools. I don’t believe you can do this with a 4” hose, and the 2 1/2” hose is much less cumbersome on the floor.

Everyone works differently. In many ways the “work triangle” kitchen design concept also has meaning for workshop layout. It is possible to have two or more work triangles depending on what type of activity you are engaged in, ie: sawing and jointing or hand tool work.

If you wish to do more hand tool work you will need a good workbench with shoulder & tail vices and bench dogs & hold downs. This kind of bench is not mobile and best use dictates that you can work all around it rather than having it up against a wall. A good work bench could easily “gobble up” your $1000 but is a great investment for a shop. I find that my bench is the most indispensable “tool” in the shop.

-- "Heaven is North of the Bridge"

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sgtsprout

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#3 posted 1301 days ago

Thanks Don. Yeah I bought the mortiser when I sould have invested otherwise but got a steal of a price on that so I just plunged. But I hear you on the planer and jointer and I assume ou mean power for the jointer. Thanks for the response.

8Iowa. Yes you are dead on. I have a tiny shop to cry about lol. Everything you see in the sketch above is in the shop now with the exception of a planer and jointer. I manage to work without too much limitations. For example my TS is placed center where I can do sheet goods but would have trouble. No plans to work sheet goods as I would get them cut further down to size on panel saw from where I buy from. I have thought about a a good workbench or the hardware for a workbench and some lumber to build one. I have a small one made of ash with dog holes now but no real tail vise or good clamping mechanism. I have been using my bar and cabinet clamps. Yes a real pain. And I thought proabably a pain if I want to esge plane by hand. For example I was looking at the DW735 planer which is portable enough that I can put under bench when not needed. Place on table saw when using. But point noted that mobility is important especially for planer and joiner. Joiner would def have to be on wheels. All my tools are all rolling cabinets by the way or have mobiity except for the TS and router. That has not seemed to cause me any problems so far. As for DC I was curious about dimensions where I wouldn’t loose airflow. So I will keep that in mind. Te 2.5” may be allot cheaper as well. Could get 2 hooked up so one supply when in use goes to the one side of basement and other hose can go to Miter saw, band saw and TS stuff. Was also thinking an air filter may help with wife’s complaints of dust on clothes. Sadly our washer dryer are on other side. Man what I’d give to blow out the wall behind my bench! Wife give me the area I have now where kids use ti have foosbal and air hockey. Keep them out and sent them outside!!! My space now. Hey thanks so much for the advice and thoughts.

This is why I love this site. Folks don’t laugh at you and give you some advice and food for thought.!!

-- "There are no gains without pains." -Benjamin Franklin

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richgreer

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#4 posted 1301 days ago

First of all – Your buying decisions need to be based on what you want to do in the shop.

With 236 square feet you need to be very concerned about space. I’d take a hard look at a planer/jointer combination machine.

The domino is neat, but consider the mortise pal and a router (which you probably already have). Anything you can do with a domino, you can do with a mortise pal. It just takes a little longer (not a lot longer).

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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8iowa

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#5 posted 1301 days ago

Here in Gainesville I have 192 sq. ft. to work in. Above all, I must keep a clean shop as my wife’s longarm quilting machine is on the other side of the garage. Fortunately, my 1/2 HP single stage DC with 2 1/2” hoses does a great job. I also use a Fein Turbo Vac, which can attach to my orbital sander and it literally sucks up all of my sanding dust. I wish I had room on the ceiling for an air filter, like the one I have in my Upper Peninsula shop, but present units on the market are just a little too large.

-- "Heaven is North of the Bridge"

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ChrisCarr

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#6 posted 1301 days ago

This is my personal opinion but unless you have serious breathing issues with dust or hate having a mess dust collection is last on my list of tools to get. Right now I have a shopvac which I use with a broom and that gets the shop clean.

For milling lumber if you could only have 1 (jointer or planer) I would choose a Planer because you can use a sled to flatten boards with it which eliminates the need for a jointer. Straightening edges can be done with a table saw and straight edge. I have only a planer so I do it all the time.

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sgtsprout

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#7 posted 1301 days ago

Rich. Yeah I couldn’t agree more. In the post I mention some more turning so I need a descent chuck. As for futniture I will be making tables and bookshelves. I have a kids bed on the list. And I can use M&T joints for sure so definately agree the Domino is just a want. I defintely need to figure out how I will edge surface my lumber I figure. But I have considered the mortise pal since I have a router. But may stick to M&T for now too. I’ve read up on those combo machines and seems unles you pay 2g’s it seems you can’t get a descent one. Purely based on reviews and conecture though. My thought is I’ll deal with the sapce constraints if I can get better bang for the buck. IN fact a DW375 just came up on Craigslist near me and in AM gonna give em a call. I seem yo buy based on deals available on CL.

8iowa, I’ve also read allot of reviews on the festool and fein vacs and sound darn good. I do use my ROS a good bit and thought about a descent vac figured I’d spend the money elsewhere for now too.

Chris, Yeah I also have my router table and can set the outfeed and infeed fence on the router table corectly so also a great point. Thanks for the insight there too. Would need to just get a good straightedge.

-- "There are no gains without pains." -Benjamin Franklin

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Howie

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#8 posted 1301 days ago

Do you really need a 735? Don’t get me wrong I have a 735 and it’s a great machine but it sounds like what you are doing a 734 will work. Big price difference that you could use to upgrade that 1 hp DC.

-- Life is good.

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sgtsprout

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#9 posted 1301 days ago

Howie, That may be true. While I am trying to get a better buy for the buck I am also not looking to get something not neccessarily good. Now I am not sure if the 734 is good enough or not. I read reviews on the 735, 734 and 733. The 735 seems to be just much better built with glowing reviews, here and other forums.

But also what if I can get it used for $400 or maybe 350? I might be able to find a 734 for a good price used too but have not seen any in the last few weeks. But I did happen to see a DW735 for $400 used locally. New it is ging for about $590 while the $734 is going for around $360. So my thought was maybe get a better planer that will do for awhile longer. But maybe upgrading the 1HP DC is a good route to go too. Like with a HF model.

-- "There are no gains without pains." -Benjamin Franklin

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HorizontalMike

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#10 posted 1301 days ago

FWIW and assuming that bottom center is a door and not a window—though a window might serve as well, I placed my jointer so that its outfeed heads OUT the door for a reason. When I need to joint a long board (a +8ft’r) I open the door (or maybe a window in your case) and this works to my advantage. Same for the planer, though in my case I have two doors to the outside to work with.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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HorizontalMike

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#11 posted 1301 days ago

Regarding buying a suitable planer. Last summer I picked up a Ridgid 13in. planer at HD for $369 online. Looks like prices are up right now, but be aware that this planer functions in the same fashion as the DW735 with 4-elevating screws and no need to lock the cutter each time you make a pass. I have been very impressed with this planer and have run my 3”x12”x8ft bench top Ash laminates through it without a hitch. Building extended tables helped as well as does the lifetime warranty on Ridgid tools.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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sgtsprout

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#12 posted 1301 days ago

Mike, yeah good point. The opening is a doorway to the other side of the basement. I would have to roll the joiner over to the door I thnk midway, and even then heck I might not have enough room to run a 8ft without having to stop and relocate the jointer. Urrgh. Thanks for the post. I will go downstairs and take some measurements and double check this now. I may also be able to jointer close to where it is depicted above as I have almost enough room there. Probably won’t get an 8’ though. But maybe 6’.

-- "There are no gains without pains." -Benjamin Franklin

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sgtsprout

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#13 posted 1301 days ago

I didn’t know HD’s Ridgid brand is lifetime warranty. Is that new? Have to check that out now as well. thanks for the heads up on the planer to Mike.

-- "There are no gains without pains." -Benjamin Franklin

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brtech

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#14 posted 1301 days ago

You said you were a CL junkie. Go to work on a planer and a jointer.

I picked up a Rigid planer and a Jet 6” jointer with bases (and a mobile base for the jointer) for $450 total on CL. They are both in very good condition.

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HorizontalMike

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#15 posted 1301 days ago

I misspoke a bit:

Manufacturer Warranty : 3 year limited warranty; eligible for Lifetime Service Agreement

The lifetime service agreement is a good thing.

-- HorizontalMike -- "Woodpeckers understand..."

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