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Forum topic by TungOil posted 07-26-2017 01:33 AM 622 views 0 times favorited 13 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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07-26-2017 01:33 AM

I have an opportunity to purchase a Powermatic model 24 shaper that appears to be in excellent condition. This would be a replacement for my current Craftsman 1/2” spindle shaper which I have hated from day 1- the open top design is not my favorite.

The PM24 is one of the smaller shapers- 1/2” & 3/4” interchangable spindle, 2 hp motor, 2 speed, reversible with a slightly smaller top. I don’t need (or have the room for) a full sized shaper and I don’t own any 1.25” cutters any longer anyway so a full size machine would be a waste.

Anyone have experience with the model 24? Looking for feedback on if this is a good machine for light duty use. Anyone have a feeder mounted on one? I mostly use my shaper for raised panel doors.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"


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#1 posted 07-26-2017 12:17 PM

It would be an ok machine for the right price.

It is light duty for sure

And yes you can mount a feeder on it, a little light for a one hp however, due only to its light stature but a 1/4 horse would do fine

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#2 posted 07-26-2017 01:49 PM

cabmaker- thanks for the feedback. Light duty is fine for my needs right now, I don’t need a production capable machine. I’m just looking for something with a little more power, a better fence and CI top that I can add a power feeder to. This seems like a good option but wanted to be sure there was no odd issue with this model that I’m not aware of. I rarely see these for sale which tells me they were not popular (likely due to the 2 hp motors being too small for production work). Lots of model 27’s out there.

do you have any experience with the smaller PM feeder? All the feeders we had were 4 wheel, I’ve never used the 3 wheel style. does the single wheel go in the infeed side?

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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#3 posted 07-27-2017 12:47 AM

I have only seen one mdl 24 in the wild. I think the only reason is that for just a few bucks more you could get twice the machine.

Sorta like the hybrid tablesaw hype going on out there.

I have both…. 3 and 4 wheel feeders, if i could only have one it would be the 3 wheel for a couple reasons,,,,,It is lighter…..and will configure to a copy feeder more quickly.

And as per your last question, I basically line the center wheel with the spindle.

I wish you success with whatever you decide (that is as long as the shaper and feeder are both reversible)

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#4 posted 07-27-2017 01:30 AM

I think you will be disappointed in a 2hp shaper with the smaller table. If you ever want to use a 5 inch panel raising cutter, or cope and stick 1-3/4 inch door components, you’ll appreciate the power and table size. I’ve used smaller shapers, and in a move from a craftsman shaper like yours, I bought a mid-sized Jet and was dismayed that it did not really handle the larger cutters. Sold it almost immediately. I now have a full size 3 hp Delta shaper and love it. I do have a stock feeder, which for some operations is a big comfort (safety) factor.

-- Murphy's Carpentry Corollary #3: Half of all boards cut to a specific length will be too short.

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#5 posted 08-05-2017 12:07 AM

Well, I did decide to buy this PM24. I looked at it this afternoon and its in decent shape. I should be adequate for my needs which are mostly raised panel doors. I need to get my electrician to pull another 240V feed over to hook it up and add a power feeder.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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#6 posted 08-05-2017 01:33 AM

That is the first PM I have seen, now I know where the “Drinking Fountain” Jet and Grizzly models are copied from.
I will give you some straight shaper talk, since you want to make raised panel doors and put a power feeder on it, and stuff, you are going to be disappointed in that machine.
Really, a regular size power feeder would cause that machine to tip over. I am only saying this because I tried going small, then ended up with a full size 5hp machine that is heavy enough for a 10hp motor.
Its like this, the wider the cut, the more power needed, shaper cutters really eat power. I don’t think you will lose money on the drinking fountain when you discover how weak it is in power and construction.

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#7 posted 08-05-2017 01:58 AM

If I were setting up a production shop I would agree with you, unbob. But space is limited in my hobby shop, so this will have to do and is definitely a step up from my current machine (which, at just 1/2 hp, can raise panels just fine, albeit slowly). Back when we had a cabinet shop we had 3 full sized PM shapers dedicated to raised panel doors. two had power feeders, and the one dedicated to cope cuts just had a sled. they were all 5hp if I recall correctly and would raise a red oak panel in a single pass as fast as you dared feed the material. While I’d love to have that capability again, I just don’t need it for the handful of doors I make per year.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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cabmaker

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#8 posted 08-05-2017 11:15 AM

congrats on your acquisition

my first shaper was a 1 1/2 hp delta 40 yrs ago

I did everything on it

It did great because,,,,,I didn’t know that it couldn’t

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#9 posted 08-06-2017 03:20 AM

I had the same exact shaper with a 1/4 hp feeder on it. I too have a small hobby shop. It was just fine for raising panels. No you cant do them in a single pass, but since the items were for me the extra time wasn’t a killer. size wise it is between the small Jet and a full size one. It wasn’t much smaller than the 3hp Delta I have now. The only reason I sold mine was because I got an awesome deal on the Delta and just didn’t have the room for 2 shapers. Good luck and enjoy.

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#10 posted 08-06-2017 03:45 AM

I spend a few hours going over it this morning and it cleaned up nicely. Spindle runout is under 0.001”. Belt and sheaves look good, bearings are smooth and quiet and the motor runs fine.

The top had a light coating of filth and a few rust spots that rubbed out easily with a Wonderbar Rust Eraser.

The over cutter guard parts are missing, but I will be adding a power feeder which should provide adequate protection.

The hold downs for the fence are worn out so I will order replacements from Powermatic Monday.

I have a 1/4 hp feeder on order as well as a Jet mobile base. Should be all set as soon as my electrician can get out and run a new 240V circuit.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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#11 posted 08-27-2017 01:03 AM

Update: Jet mobile base installed, replacement parts installed, baby Powermatic 1/4 hp feeder installed. Ready to raise some panels!

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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#12 posted 08-27-2017 08:15 PM

looks good tung oil

I would replace those fence boards (wider and longer) you will understand the first time you use it

Enjoy JB

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#13 posted 08-28-2017 01:20 AM

Agreed on the fences. I’ll probably take the longer ones I built for my other shaper off and swap them out before I sell that one.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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