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Joe

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07-17-2017 06:03 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tool suggestions shop layout advice

Hi!
Im new to this site and new to posting to forum. I have a 30×50 shed that I just build and am looking to get setup for all my honey do projects and builds. I don’t have a lot of free time with two little kids, but I try to build everything that I put into my house. I built a 9 1/2’ harvester dining room table out of pecan that a friend had cut at the local saw mill. I used my kreg jig and glue and clamps for most everything and dowel pinned the bread boards and stretcher.
I really only have a good dewalt dual bevel 12” compound miter saw with stand, and an old crappy tablesaw with a good freud diablo blade on it. I am needing some advice on building a dust collection system and for sure buying a tablesaw and router. I just need to figure out the minimum tools I will be needing to build built in cabinets, and basic furniture. Any help or advice is greatly appreciated. I found this website by a picture that was posted of a window bench seat bordered by a desk and bookshelf on one side and bookshelf on the other.
Joe

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eflanders

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#1 posted 07-17-2017 06:52 PM

Suggestions: Allow for more electrical outlets than you think you will ever need. Allow for both 110 volt and 220 volt receptacles. Machines (If capable of 220 volt operation) will run more cost effectively. Good lighting is a huge factor for many shops. Put in LED lights for the best in efficiency and durability. Factor plenty of overhead lighting into your electrical plan. Build a solid workbench for doing “hand work” like planning and sanding. Build another bench for assembly which is usually lower than the hand work bench. As to the best layout, I’ve found that over the years my layout has changed often enough (based on project needs) that your work requirements will tend self design itself. With the few tools that you have now, start with a “portable” dust collector system using flex hose connections, once you settle on a layout, then you can hard pipe it for better efficiency. Allow for a minimum of 8’ space both in front of and in back of your table saw. A crappy saw can be made to work very well with good blades, accurate sleds, a good fence and an accurate miter gauge. It often is the most used machine in the shop especially in furniture making. Allow for a minimum of 8’ on either side of the miter saw. You will often use it to rough-cut lengths of lumber before final sizing, etc..

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Joe

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#2 posted 07-17-2017 07:03 PM

I have led lighting and since I’m an electrician I will have no problems running anything more if I need it. I was wondering if you know of any good system to get for dust collection. I really have no clue as to what I am looking for, I have seen the big bag setups, the 55gal drum setups, the shopvac to bucket setups, and I have seen the kind that takes fines out of the air from amazon that you just hang from the ceiling. I would like to hear some suggestions on brand size etc.. I just found a 1997 grizzly g1023z 240v 12 amp 10” table saw for sale on fb for $270. I had been looking at the best dewalt table saw with stand that they make, as I already have the best miter saw they make and it has been great!

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Loren

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#3 posted 07-17-2017 07:14 PM

If you can handle the air being sucked out
of your shop in the colder months, the
easiest and most effective dust collection
is to get something like a 3hp dual-bag machine
and put it in a shed outside the shop.

To clean the shop, turn on the dust collector
and spray surfaces with compressed air,
then walk away. The big dust collector
will suck all the dusty air out.

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eflanders

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#4 posted 07-17-2017 07:38 PM

Joe, the Grizzly saw you mentioned is a far better saw than the Dewalt you mention assuming it is in good condition.

As for dust collectors, your budget determines a lot and that subject is rather complex. However, to collect as much dust as possible, you will need both an “air cleaner” and a dust collector. The air cleaner(s) capture the fine dust that is airborne. Dust collection connected to the miter saw is often incomplete as is on the table saw. Air cleaners can be made easily from either box fans (for a ceiling mounted unit) and/or a “squirrel cage blower” from a furnace. Having both ceiling units on one end of the shop as well as a floor units on the other end allows for the best in fine dust collection and good air circulation.

The “dust collector” is really only good at collecting coarse dust, chips and shavings. However getting a dust collector unit that has HEPA filtration is the best for your health (not your pocket book). Start with a 1-1/2 or 2 hp unit at a minimum. This could be a single stage or dual stage unit with or without a HEPA filter. Your budget will help you to decide how many “conveniences” you want. Single stage means the dust and shavings go directly into a plastic collection bag. It will be sufficient for the current number of machines you have now. Dual stage means the fines and coarse particles are pre-separated (via a cyclonic action) from the filter and they often use a barrel for the coarse material to be collected. The filter is supposed to trap the fines. Many believe 2 stage units are more convenient and are likely to last longer as the fan blades do not get hit with all of the debris as it is collected. Once you add machines your dust collector needs will grow, often to 3-5 hp or more and you will want to have a 2 stage unit.

Again, the key to the most complete dust collection is really done at BOTH the source/machine and in the constant cleaning of the shop airflow.

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Joe

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#5 posted 07-17-2017 08:14 PM

This is the saw that is for sale $270, looks a little rough but it also comes with a couple blades and a dado set.
Any thoughts??

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TungOil

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#6 posted 07-19-2017 02:22 AM

does it also come with the cast iron extension wings for the sides? If not it’s a pass. Too many decent TS on Craig’s List to mess with something missing key parts.

-- The optimist says "the glass is half full". The pessimist says "the glass is half empty". The engineer says "the glass is twice as big as it needs to be"

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TheFridge

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#7 posted 07-19-2017 02:29 AM

Looks good.

Personally, I have a chip separator on a 55gal drum outside so I don’t worry about fine dust.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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Monte Pittman

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#8 posted 07-19-2017 02:58 AM

Welcome to Lumberjocks

You don’t want your shop to look like mine, so I will just read along.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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Loren

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#9 posted 07-19-2017 03:04 AM

Supply and prices of used cabinet saws varies
regionally. While I agree that a lack of table
extensions could be a reason to walk away,
the price is pretty low for most areas and with
1500 sq ft. the possibility of building a large
outfeed table around a saw is there, nullifying
the table extension issue.

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Joe

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#10 posted 07-19-2017 12:38 PM

I have moved on from the pictures I posted and found another guy that has an entire shop full for sale. The TS is 10” 5hp Griz with his own extra extension table and carrier that is the full width of the saw, with shop fox double roller fence and includes the router that is incorporated to the extension.
The TS and router and all blades for $1250. I talked to the guy for 45 min and was a good dude, offered to show me how to use all tools before I bought em. He also has 8” griz jointer for $725, dewalt 2 speed planer w/ extra blades that is like new $480, Delta drum sander and few extra belts $900, Jet bandsaw with riser, base, attachments, about $900 in blades many of which are new $900. Those are all single unit priced, he said its a better price the more I buy. These are all his smaller units , the bigger ones are stuff in his big shop. I am torn on buying it all now by taking out a loan vs having to build my supply up over the years. I know how much all the accessories are for all this stuff. He went over how everything was coplanar and true within .000 of inch. I have a piece of mind with all of these but I don’t know that at this point in my life I should dive so deep into it. I would have to buy saw, jointer, planer at least to be able to work rough cut. Its a 2.5 hr drive to get there and I would like to make it worth the trip. I am pretty sure I can swing the saw and router combo. I need some advice guys!! This is an awesome group BTW I am so glad I joined up!!!
Thanks!!!!

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firefighterontheside

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#11 posted 07-19-2017 12:46 PM

You can find better prices on individual machines if you wait and look. I would say go for the saw and router setup if you have the power to supply that 5 hp Grizz. What model is it?

-- Bill M. "People change, walnut doesn't" by Gene.

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woodbutcherbynight

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#12 posted 07-20-2017 01:43 AM

Alot of good suggestions here. In setting up shop know that despite your best laid plans and research the shop evolves over time. Putting things on wheels or with the ability to use a small pallet jack to move them makes life so much easier to change set-up and I promise you will change some.

The table saw is a versatile machine. With jigs it can be a extremely useful and accurate tool with repeatable results. Research jigs here on the site, many contribute on a regular basis. Cross cut sleds and circle cutting jigs come to mind as a few examples. Storage is something else to consider, both of sheet goods and stock items like screws, nuts and bolts. Again this site is full of great ideas and very innovative solutions to save space and time.

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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Loren

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#13 posted 07-20-2017 02:17 AM

It’s cool that the guy’s stuff is all set up
to work right, but the prices are nothing
to get excited about and the equipment
is “light industrial” at best. With the
square footage you have you can buy and
sell machinery easily to build up to what
you really want. Whether you want to
get into collecting and fussing with machinery
is another issue. Some hobby woodworkers
don’t.

I advise avoiding Delta drum sanders, esp.
at such prices.

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