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Forum topic by DangerDoug posted 07-13-2017 09:57 AM 1208 views 0 times favorited 11 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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DangerDoug

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07-13-2017 09:57 AM

Help I moved and need to rewire the shop.
The question is what is the minimum size wire and/or breaker I need for a 32 year old 3hp – single phase Rockwell Unisaw (I bought new).
Can I get by with 20amp and 12 gauge wire 225v hook up. The run from the panel is about 50’.

I noticed this house (built 2002) doesn’t seem to have the power the as the previous shop, where we had a transformer in the front yard.
Distribution panel at new location? Typical 200amp Cutler Hammer with plenty of room for new circuits.

Plz help and wish me luck!!

Doug


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toolie

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#1 posted 07-13-2017 12:52 PM

Should be no problem at all.

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GR8HUNTER

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#2 posted 07-13-2017 01:44 PM

if I were you I would run a separate sub panel to the shop :<))

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#3 posted 07-13-2017 03:07 PM

And then in a couple of years you will want a plasma cutter/welder/etc then what ? Redo the whole job ? Wire is cheap, running it expensive. So why limit yourself to 20A ?

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#4 posted 07-13-2017 03:29 PM

A 60A subpanel would do the job nicely. The wire will be a lot more of a pain to run yourself (you’ll need 6ga I think), but it’ll be easier to run future circuits from a subpanel.

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DangerDoug

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#5 posted 07-14-2017 07:54 AM

Thanks folks,
The 20amp run is probably not the best idea, but can use it for temporary power.
Sub panel, that’s a thought, but there’s 12 openings in the existing CH box, including the panel box outlet.
One thought was to run #10 around the shop for outlets at the 220 machines, all on one run/circuit.
Except the compressor, that would need to be dedicated.
I’ll need a dozen or more 120 outlets for the smaller tools and the vac system(s); could use 12/3, for quad/double outlets and use both sides of the panel for extra power.

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hairy

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#6 posted 07-14-2017 11:58 AM

All 220 machines on 1 circuit is a bad idea, they need to be on a separate circuit.

It’s nice to have a lot of circuits, but how many tools will be running at 1 time? You may not need as many as you think.

In my basement shop I have one 220v circuit. My tablesaw, lathe and RAS are located so that they can share that 1 socket.

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DangerDoug

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#7 posted 07-15-2017 08:44 AM

Thanks Harry,

FYI guys, these are hard to find and expensive but fast/easy to install.
They can be installed using the 2 circuit option.

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#8 posted 07-15-2017 03:47 PM

If the FLA of the motor is 16.1 to 24, it should be on a 30A ckt.

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#9 posted 07-15-2017 07:21 PM

Don’t know where you live, but here in Virginia general use multi-outlet circuits are limited to 20A. Anything 30A and up needs a dedicated circuit. If you do a multiwire branch circuit (MWBC) it needs to be on a double pole breaker or two single pole breakers with a handle tie. Personally I don’t suggest a MWBC because it creates problems because of the requirement of GFCI 120V outlets in a garage. You can use a double pole GFI breaker but they are expensive.

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DangerDoug

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#10 posted 07-19-2017 08:53 AM

Thanks for the messages.
Honesty hand’t thought about GFI’s, and that probably is code (there’s already one in a receptacle box next to elec panel). Throwing in the towel though and calling an electrician, I know a fellow that just retired a couple months ago, he’ll get up up and running (as long as the cost is reasonable).

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DangerDoug

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#11 posted 07-19-2017 09:29 AM

Here’s a question about mounting the boxes. The shop is in a 1,300sf basement, walls have typ hanging insulation and don’k think I want to build 2” x 3” walls all around. So what about mounting boxes right on the insulation, one or two bolts right into the concrete? (the insulation contractors don’t give this a second thought).
I could pipe between boxes for the wires, maybe at 52” high, the conduit will help push the insulation tight to the wall.

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