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Forum topic by splintergroup posted 07-09-2017 09:46 PM 517 views 0 times favorited 5 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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splintergroup

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07-09-2017 09:46 PM

Topic tags/keywords: walnut sap wood dye

This is the deal:

I bought some rough sawn 8/4 walnut several years ago from a local hardwood lumber yard. The wood looked great, heart wood edge to edge. The ends of the planks were painted black, which is how it arrives at the yard from the saw mill to identify the pallet (red oak is green, poplar is blue, etc.)

This is a photo of a section of the plank, cut on my miter saw to my needed length. I had planed to resaw it into a pair of book matched boards for cabinet side panels.

Much to my surprise, after crosscutting, the “sap wood free” plank turned out to be a lot of sap wood!
The top of the heart wood arch is the side photographed in the first picture.

I’ve bought rough lumber here before that had the sap wood visible and I selected accordingly.

Could this be from the drying process?

The pessimist in me thinks the mill has started spraying dye on the wood to hide any sap wood. The brown color is only maybe a millimeter deep.

Bummed in NM!


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AandCstyle

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#1 posted 07-09-2017 10:12 PM

Splint, the easy explanation is that you got ripped off. Since you have little (no) recourse at this point, the real question is how to turn the lemons into lemonade. I have seen very attractive cutting boards where the boards were crosscut to produce 2 slices, then one slice was rotated 180* so the concave grain faces were against each other and they were glued together which I will call a “block”. Repeat until you get the dimensions that are appropriate for a cutting board, maybe 2 blocks by 4 blocks.

Alternatively, you can learn the fine art of dying/staining walnut sapwood to look like walnut heartwood. FWIW

-- Art

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#2 posted 07-09-2017 10:23 PM

That’s how the rough sawn Walnut plays out at the yards that lets me pull from lifts.Its steamed to even out color.
You’ll be ready next time bring a block plane too see what under the surface.
I miss working with walnut I’ve developed allergys.So I’m envious of others that have it in their shop and I don’t feel like you were ripped off.

-- Aj

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bigJohninvegas

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#3 posted 07-09-2017 10:56 PM

I have bought a fair amount of rough wood, Hit and Miss (H&M) as it is labeled at my local Rugby store.
I seem to get a true 8/4, or 4/4 from wood I mill myself. While I have not seen hidden sap wood before, I have had many issues. Like checks and knots in the middle of the board that were not visible. I had some Cherry a couple years back that had honeycombed. Totally ruined. I have learned a little more now on what to look for, but sometimes when buying H&M lumber, its just that. Hit or Miss. Turns out I should have returned that cherry, but did not know to do so, or that returning it was even an option. And like you said, you have had it for several years. Been there, dumb luck.
I do like what Art says about using it for an end grain cutting boards. I make up a dozen or so each year that sell well around Christmas time. Last couple trips to the lumber store I have been looking for that board or two with the right amount of sap wood just for that purpose. No luck yet. Go figure, when you want sap wood you can’t find it.
Check out this web site, they use Hickory I think with sap would. some nice cutting boards.
http://www.sweitzerandsweitzer.com/boards_end_grain.html

Here is a board with walnut/sap wood. that board you have would work very well.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/510243832764164220/

-- John

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#4 posted 07-09-2017 11:00 PM



That s how the rough sawn Walnut plays out at the yards that lets me pull from lifts.Its steamed to even out color.
You ll be ready next time bring a block plane too see what under the surface.

Thanks Aj, I never thought of bringing my block plane with me. Great idea.

-- John

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splintergroup

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#5 posted 07-09-2017 11:01 PM

Thanks Art, It surely won’t go to waste and I’ve seen plenty of cool stuff with sap wood. Unfortunately I needed all heart wood for my project and had to resort to veneer. Project saved! As to blending, pshaw! 8^)

Aj,
The steaming makes sense, but the depth would be useless in my case, Just getting the surface smooth exposed the white sap wood.

This was the last of my stash of $5/bf walnut (when everywhere else was sky rocketing). Currently 8/4 is about $12/bf so I’ll carry a block plane for sure 8^)

The heart wood is nice, it’s just good to know that my 12” wide walnut is really 7” if I’m after the dark stuff before I dice it up.

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