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Forum topic by LDO2802 posted 07-06-2017 08:33 PM 1134 views 0 times favorited 9 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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LDO2802

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07-06-2017 08:33 PM

Its becoming a trend for me to ask about tools now. This one relates to brand vs quality. I do a lot of wood carving and have several brands at my disposal. For chisels, there is not a lot of difference I can see between my cheaper ones and my Pfeil(What I consider ‘mid-grade’) other than I have to sharpen the cheaper ones more. They all cut well. Now knives are a different story, my flexcut definitely hold a better edge than any cheap starter ones I had.
Now, to my question…........I consider Pfeil and flexcut to be ‘mid-grade’ with ‘high-grade’ being Two Cherries, even though I don’t own one, based solely off price. Is this true? Or is it more of a brand name thing getting a significant markup for that alone? Is there truly a difference between a 150 dollar set of carving tools and a 300 dollar set of carving tools?


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#1 posted 07-06-2017 08:49 PM

I only have experience with 2 brands. Buck brothers are low end and I really can’t recommend them to anyone. That said, I do have a set of Two Cherries and I feel they are worth the cost. Hold an edge, feel good in hand, and easy to use. If I ever need any more, they will be Two Cherries. I did look at a flex cut set at Woodcraft, it had a set of changeable blades, but didn’t feel right in hand.

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LDO2802

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#2 posted 07-06-2017 08:56 PM

I utilize a lot of Pfeil and flexcut because they are the only ones available at Rockler and Woodcraft. I like to hold them before I buy them. Probably why I have not bought two cherries yet. Mary May recommended trying to find antique Addis chisels, but haven’t done that either. Also, I want to buy a Tormek before investing in high end tools so I can ensure I am sharpening them to the highest potential.

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mpounders

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#3 posted 07-06-2017 10:05 PM

In my opinion, Pfeil is high grade, and Flexcut is more entry level/mid grade. But you are correct that proper sharpening can make even a poor tool perform well. And poor sharpening can make the best not work at all! But I would still say that there is a difference in the better tools. I suspect you may be comparing a cheap set of Chinese tools versus the Pfeils? I bought Pfeils on or two at a time until I had exactly what I wanted, rather than buying a set of cheaper tools or even a set of Pfeils. I look at the sets and see no reason to buy things that are similar in size and profiles to what I already have in either a full size or palm tool. My full size tools are all Pfeils, but I have replaced most of my Flexcut palm tools with Drake. Most of my knives are Helvies, with a few Drake, OCCT, and others that I have collected. Woodcraft is about the only choice for Pfeil, but I buy all my other stuff either online or at carving shows and seminars. I would suggest that you look at Burke sharpeners also, which is my preference for maintaining my tools. I see them used a lot by professional carvers and sharpeners. A friend who has been carving for over 40 years has just about every sharpening device made, including a Tormek. But I’ve never seen him sharpen his tools with anything besides the Burke since I have known him!

-- Mike P., Arkansas, http://mikepounders.weebly.com

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LDO2802

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#4 posted 07-07-2017 07:33 PM

I just sold some old magic cards(don’t judge) and I will be buying the Tormek T8 before I buy more gouges.

I say mid-grade for Pfeil, even though I like them just based off price comparison with some other products from Japan and Two Cherries from Germany. All the reviews of two cherries is positive, so I am assuming there is something eminently more phenomenal about them, otherwise everyone would buy the gouges that are cheaper. A lot of comments on steel comparison as well.

Where are carving conventions? The only woodworking convention I have found around my area is the one coming up in Vegas in a few weeks, and that is more a marketing convention vice somewhere to go and learn stuff.

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mpounders

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#5 posted 07-07-2017 09:09 PM

Here is a good place to look for carving related stuff and links to upcoming shows.

You generally sign up for more extensive classes held during the show, but there usually some free demonstrations.

-- Mike P., Arkansas, http://mikepounders.weebly.com

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LDO2802

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#6 posted 07-07-2017 10:48 PM

Awesome, zero California or Idaho. Looks like no conventions for me anytime soon

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mpounders

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#7 posted 07-10-2017 02:01 PM

You need to visit some carving clubs.Here is one in Idaho. Idaho Woodcarvers Guild
Club Type: Wood Carving
Street Address:

1982 Roanoke Dr
State: ID
Zip: 83712
City: Boise
Country: US
Email: roseboise@yahoo.com

And you might contact theis club in Calafornia; they seem to have chapters all across the state.
Club Type: Wood Carving
Street Address:

California Carvers Guild

367 Spring Street
State: CA
Zip: 93001
City: Ventura, CA
Country: US
Email: webmaster@cacarversguild.org
URL: cacarversguild.org

-- Mike P., Arkansas, http://mikepounders.weebly.com

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woodbutcherbynight

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#8 posted 07-11-2017 12:34 AM

Do be careful about carving clubs. My friend did not pay attention to what kind of carving he signed up for and went to a Kitchen Carving Club, as in making food. Out of politeness he stayed the full 2 hours with about 14 women. I believe a large quantity of alcohol was consumed afterward….

LOL

-- Live to tell the stories, they sound better that way.

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Aj2

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#9 posted 07-11-2017 01:42 AM

I use Ashley Iles carving chisels.I do have a set of 5 Two cherry and they are no where near as good.Mostly because of the shape they are really thick.
Someday I’d like I add some Pfeils Palm gouges to my bag.Some of the guys I used to sit with had them I heard no complaints.
I’ve been looking at a high speed buffing wheel to replace my Tormek 2000.
I’ve also used flex cut knifes and Palm gouges and their ok if your working with basswood.We used to get some nice basswood but not anymore.
If your starting your gouge collection I think Pfeils are a good choice.

-- Aj

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