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Forum topic by poopiekat posted 12-17-2010 07:23 PM 7183 views 0 times favorited 29 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-17-2010 07:23 PM

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I’m getting more and more use out of my faithful old Stanleys…and I want to continue weaning myself away from power tools. I just don’t find it rewarding anymore, to pound out stuff produced by power tools. After viewing an episode of ”Rough Cut”, I found the epiphany I was waiting for: Wooden Molding Planes! I was always under the impression that these were relegated to obsolete artifacts until I saw them being used on an episode by an artisan making museum-quality furniture!! Perhaps even faster than profiling with a router! I am now concentrating on filling out my toolbox with perhaps 30 or 40 of these, from eBay and local sources. I REALLY regret not giving these wooden planes a second glance, all these years of garage sales, antique shows etc. If I only knew, I would have been picking them up as well as the metal planes that I collect!
Now that I have a few new additions to my collection..how the heck do I sharpen them? I have a variety of stones, sandpaper, and diamond paste for my flat blades, but never have attempted to sharpen an undulated cutting edge...HELP!!!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!


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#1 posted 12-17-2010 07:36 PM

Yes, I have done very little woodworking but I do look forward to getting/making wooden molding planes…

Especially after trying an old Stanley plough with which I made a perfect bead ornament, very easily, on some sort of mahogany-like board lying around in the local Woodcraft shop where I took a short “intro to handplanes” course. Certainly seemed a lot harder to screw up that than w/ a router, w/o even talking about possible chipping at the ends, tear out, safety issues, noise, and all the dust. It was an absolute joy to use. Not much muscle needed either—at least not anymore than needed when carefully holding/guiding a powered router.

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#2 posted 12-17-2010 07:44 PM

I don’t really know, poopie, but I would suppose that they would have to be carefully sharpened with round or shaped stones. Another thought might be to shape pieces of wood and glue the right sandpaper on the pieces of wood and sharpen them with the wood and sandpaper. The big problem would be that their profile still needs to be the same as it was before sharpening in order to match the sole of the plane. You would think that there would be some info on the internet about how you do this. I also have thought about collecting these. I’ve seen some real bargains on them, especially when they are sold in groups. I only have four of them but I haven’t even used them yet. I’ll bet somebody that knows will be along directly. I will be interested to find out the proper way to sharpen them myself.

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#3 posted 12-17-2010 07:54 PM

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#4 posted 12-17-2010 07:59 PM

Poopie, I just thought of one thing that might work. When you plane a molding with one of these things you are shaping a piece of wood that perfectly matches the sole of the plane. So why not use a piece of the molding to glue the right sand paper on it in order to sharpen the iron. You might even could take off a little from the wood by carefully sanding it to compensate for the thickness of the sandpaper to get it almost perfect. This is just a thought.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#5 posted 12-17-2010 08:00 PM

Thanks, guys! I’ve been working with my Stanley 45’s and it always impresses me with what they can do, though I’m generally using the plough cutters. I imagine the common bead cutters and other profiles also present the same problem with sharpening. Oddly, the You-tube videos of wooden molding planes, the cutter seldom perfectly matches the sole, I guess due to the wearing-out of the wood-on-wood friction. Finding useful info on profile sharpening on the ‘net has been difficult. I won’t advocate collecting these planes to anybody….until I get my set completed, wink wink!!! Here’s a link to a borrowed photobucket example of what we’re talking about: http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii203/oldarmy-brenham/Wooden%20Planes/woodplanes017.jpg Antique Wooden Molding Plane Pictures, Images and Photos

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#6 posted 12-17-2010 08:05 PM

Hey, Millo, I was looking at that Smartflix site just this week. Do you belong to that? If you do I was just wondering if it was a good deal. I noticed that they have some real good quality videos on the woodcarving section of it.

Sorry, poopie, i don’t mean to change the subject, but since he brought up this place it might be relevent if someone wanted to watch that sharpening video.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#7 posted 12-17-2010 08:09 PM

Thanks again, Millo and Helluvawreck! I’m anxious to start peeling some lacey ribbons with my newest acquisitions…I don’t have any nice mahogany at the moment to practice on, and I know I’ll get discouraged if I try to practice on my tuff-as-nails red oak. Nahhh, helluva, (hey, wasn’t that the name of a cheese company?) let’s let this discussion go wherever it wants to go! I’d really like to just find a you-tube video of someone at work sharpening profile cutters…I’m just not using the right search parameters, I guess.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#8 posted 12-17-2010 08:10 PM

Poopie, you’ll be safe from me. I’ve got a big long list of used hand tools that I’m looking for right now. The wooden planes are on down from the top of the list. ;-)

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#9 posted 12-17-2010 08:15 PM

Yes, poopie, these are very beautiful tools. I would love to have a hundred of them on the wall of my den, which is connected to my kitchen, which is connected to my shop. There they could sit while being wonderful conversation pieces but only a few paces from my shop. I can see that in my mind as I speak. :)

My wife, might have to take down some of her pictures. Maybe she won’t mind. :)

I do see one potential problem. Her kitchen is in between the den and the shop. Do you suppose that she me stop cooking my meals for me if I make her take her pictures down? It’s a distinct posiblity now that I think about it. I sure wouldn’t want to starve to death. ;-)

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#10 posted 12-17-2010 08:18 PM

Yeah, I hear ya, helluva! I’m preparing plans for my be-all to end-all huge wooden tool chest/cabinet/workbench, and fill it with vintage tools and stuff. I’ve got ridiculous amounts of old tools, and I gotta get more to fill this baby up. I’ve started a few threads here, about lid-lifters and caster-jacking, and other related stuff as I prepare my FINAL workbench that I can be happy with, 100% for the rest of my days.
I don’t see why we can’t fill our dining room china closet and living-room bookshelves with our ever more fascinating vintage tools. My wife might understand…I think!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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#11 posted 12-17-2010 08:46 PM

Yep, there’s an antique secretary in my wife’s living room that wood make a beautiful tool box. It’s a beautiful thing. But, poopie, we can’t eat our tools, if you know what I mean, so we need to be careful about getting too carried away here. I can’t afford to eat out every meal. Besides that we also have a comfortable bed in the bed room as well. It sure beats the hell out of sleeping in the shavings inside the great big dog house out back that I built for Sassy. ;-)

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#12 posted 12-17-2010 09:03 PM

Poopiekat,

The Sharpening Profiled Hand Tools video linked above is one I did. Improper sharpening in the past and wood movement are the primary causes of irons that don’t match the sole profiles in molding planes. If one understands the simple steps, an incredibly precise match is easy.

Most woodworkers tend to view molding planes the same way they see router bits, one bit equals one dedicated profile. Molding planes are so much more than that and their capability is almost limitless. Combination planes like the Stanley 45 simply don’t even come close to molding planes. I wish I had more time to write about this now but I’ve got to get back to work.

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#13 posted 12-17-2010 10:10 PM

lwllms, why don’t you do a blog post about it at your liesure. We’d sure like to know about it.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#14 posted 12-17-2010 10:29 PM

lwllms, we manufacture molding and we grind our own profile knives. The thought just came to me that we might could make a template and run some molding for molding planes and then make a reverse template of the molding and then make a holder for the plane irons that would hold them at the right angle and then use the reverse template to grind the irons to go in the molding planes with the profile grinder. In other words it would be sort of a kit for people who wanted to make their own molding planes. Do you think that would be possible? Just wondering.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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#15 posted 12-17-2010 10:39 PM

poopiecat and Helluvawreck :-)
what Lwllms aka Larry Williams did´t want to say but i will with the biggest recomandation
is that he and his teammates in there busyness has made four vidio´s about side escapeplanes
about how to use them and how to build them as well beside they make wooden planes and sell them too
I my self has the two first they made and they are fantastic if you want to now the real stuff about them
alot more than you can learn from books

larry allso show how to tune / sharpen an older wooden mouldingplane so it sing again

if I were you I surdently wuold buy the vidios SAP :-)
they are sold thrugh there own site and thrugh Lie-Neilsen´s site
and as soon as I can afford the two last of them they will be ordred you can count on that

good luck with it

you have two choices either you sharpen the iron to match the sole (easyest) or you can
make the sole to match the iron and sharpenning the iron is done with some small slipstones
that can bee bought in alot of different shapes and in different grits

hope this cuold help a little

Dennis

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