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Jay39

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07-02-2017 12:10 AM

Topic tags/keywords: woodshop polebarn

Got a 28’x32’ w/ 16’x12’ extension on the back, 8’x28’ front porch, polebarn woodshop…will be fully finished and ready for woodworking. I currently have a 3 car garage filled with all my woodworking tools and the wife gave me permission to build this woodshop…fully dedicated to woodworking (and my golf simulator). The last picture is what I’m thinking with color scheme for outside…and the types of windows. My guy wants to build my doors…I’m not sure I want that. We are going to have double doors in the front…and I’m not sure how or what I want as in doors just yet. I want it to looks pretty awesome…any ideas? I’m excited to see how this is going to end up! I’m nervous as crap too!

One last thing, would any of you put a 220 outlet in the middle of the concrete floor for my sawstop 52” table saw? I don’t want anything protruding out of the floor. Not sure what I want to do on this…bc I don’t want any hanging 220 lines or lines running across my floor.

-- Jay


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#1 posted 07-02-2017 02:37 AM

Why wouldn’t you want to run the electrical overhead? It’d be in conduit, not “hanging,” and it could go down to the floor right next to the dust collection.

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#2 posted 07-02-2017 03:07 AM

I just don’t want a cord (whether in conduit or not) hanging from the ceiling. It would be nice to have it in the floor (which will be poured on Monday. It would also be nice to have 110 in the floor next to the 220 for other things that might have a place towards middle of shop. It’s just a preference really…I’ve had to rig up all kinds of things in my 3 car garage…I just don’t want to do that for this build.

-- Jay

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#3 posted 07-02-2017 03:46 AM

Why ask a question when you’ve made up your mind?

If you’re dead set against having electrical overhead, then obviously you’ll need to put it in the floor.

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#4 posted 07-02-2017 04:00 AM

Well, Im looking for ideas on how to do this or if anyone has done this. Whether or not there are tips for doing this for a 220…not protruding out of the concrete, waterproof (just in case). It’s more of me trying to get ideas. Yours was a good one…and I appreciate the tips. I don’t want to run cables across the floor either. It sure is a lot of fun but stressful…lol.

-- Jay

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#5 posted 07-02-2017 04:03 AM

“would any of you put a 220 outlet in the middle of the concrete floor…”
No, I wouldn’t. I would run it overhead, not put it in the floor. Suppose you wanted to move the location of your saw?

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#6 posted 07-02-2017 12:07 PM

Just so you know, there’s absolutely nothing different about 240V wiring. You just use two hot wires instead of a hot and a neutral. You’d use 12/2 or 12/3 wire (for a 20amp circuit) inside conduit buried in the floor. If you needed 30amps, that’d be 10AWG instead of 12. There are special outlet boxes designed to be embedded in concrete. They are not waterproof, so the conduit gets installed, the box gets installed and then sealed up, then the concrete gets poured around it. If the concrete is coming Monday, I doubt you have time to get an electrician out to run the conduit and place the boxes.

Not to beat a dead horse, but overhead is a lot easier and more forgiving. You don’t have cords hanging from the ceiling. You have an outlet on the floor that you plug the saw into.

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#7 posted 07-02-2017 12:44 PM

When I built mine which is the same dimension I did not install the box in the floor but I did think about it. Now every time I plug in my saw from across the room I mentally kick my @ss. I too do not want a wire hanging overhead for the saw or laying on across the floor all the time. It has been 4 yeas and I have not moved the saw from where it is so the box in the floor SHOULD have been put in.

As for getting it done before Monday, go to HD or Lowes, get the PVC and lay the boxes in yourself, they have all the stuff for a water tight box. Then after it is all poured have the electrician feed the wires. You can do it; I did it with a light out to my turn-around when my front pad was poured. Check you code and see what is required.

So long story short, yes, put in both boxes now, even if you move the saw or never use it, big deal, it is there if you need it. I have a 120 on the wall near the corner of the shop I have never plugged in anything into, but it is there if I need it.

As for the colors, that is a nice combo, although I would use a white roof, you would be shocked how the sun heats up that dark metal and makes a giant radiator, but it only has to look good to you. :)

-- My biggest fear is that when I am gone, my wife will sell my tools for what I told her I paid for them.

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#8 posted 07-02-2017 01:41 PM

Congrats on the building, I won’t echo what’s said above about the outlet(s) since it seems you have decided. It will work out no matter what you do. I would make the 240V outlet a 30 amp one, that way you can use it for the 3 HP saw (if that’s what it is) as well as a 5HP model should it show up at a later date.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#9 posted 07-02-2017 01:44 PM

Thanks for the input! I’m trying to determine what all I need to do. The contractor building it said it wouldn’t be a problem last night. So, we’ll see how it goes. I also marked where I want it. Just behind where I think my SawStop will go under the outfeed table. I like the idea of 220 and 110. Those will be hugely important.

@ThisleDown, your quote is awesome man!

-- Jay

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#10 posted 07-03-2017 07:21 AM

Definitely put it in the floor. A hanging cord would be in the way.

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#11 posted 07-03-2017 10:53 AM

Nobody is advocating for a hanging cord. Instead, you have conduit coming down next to your dust collection pipe with an outlet on the end of it near the floor. The cord plugs in there.

If you’re putting dust collection in the floor then it makes perfect sense to put the electrical there as well, but if you have big thick metal pipe coming down from above already, why not a thin conduit as well?

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#12 posted 07-03-2017 11:29 AM

I don’t have a pipe coming from the ceiling. My contractor and I have it all figured out. We will be running the conduit under the concrete to near the middle of the building to a box that will house 220 and 110…box will be covered except for outlets. Then, there will be a lid to cover those outlets if ever not in use. We’ll see how it turns out!

-- Jay

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#13 posted 07-03-2017 11:33 AM

On another note, the contractor wants to come off the back with a shed type roof…but wants to take it from the top of the peak. I can’t envision it very well. He said it would be expensive to come off the back with trusses (like a gable type roof). I’m totally not sure what to do on this…any advice?

-- Jay

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#14 posted 07-03-2017 01:04 PM

im going to assume the idea now is to have the look as the last picture ya posted? if thats a right assumption, a shed roof there would look rather weird, plus you will have 2 little walls on each side that need to be sided and flashed.
and if you have an entrance door on that outside wall, you’ll have lots of water runoff during rains to contend with.

it seems framing it the way he suggests would be quite expensive- thats a LONG run from the roof peak to the outside wall to make.

i dont notice any trusses for that area in the lumber pile. was the barn a package put together by the builder or the lumberyard?

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#15 posted 07-03-2017 01:15 PM

I put a chase in my floor and ran Electrical, DC, and air in it , it has worked great for close to 20 years. I don’t like tripping over ducting, cords or air hoses.

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