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Forum topic by ModernWoodWorkz posted 06-30-2017 01:20 AM 2596 views 0 times favorited 27 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ModernWoodWorkz

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06-30-2017 01:20 AM

Hi, I am part of a community workshop that just happens to have residents attached to the building.

Right now we have the Dewalt 735 which of course is resulting in noise complaints.

We would like to find a replacement that is not so loud.

I know the price is a big factor.

I’ve asked what the budget is and he said $1000 is ok but I feel like $1000-2000 may be doable.

I’d like to get some opinions on what type of planer we should be looking for.

Space will have room for an industrial unit that is of reasonable size.

I wanted to get everyone’s opinion on hellical vs straight knives for decibal level as well.

This machine will have high volume use with both experienced and not so experienced people so maintenance and parts may also be an issue.

Let me know what everyone is thinking.

I have done my research as well but I wanted to get personal opinions from this forum to pass along to the other shop supervisors.


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TheFridge

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#1 posted 06-30-2017 01:29 AM

I have a 735 with helical and there is a big difference in the noise level. Not that I’m recommending upgrading the 735 for your purpose.

-- Shooting down the walls of heartache. Bang bang. I am. The warrior.

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ModernWoodWorkz

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#2 posted 06-30-2017 01:31 AM

I know it’s hard to describe but how much quieter would you say it is regarding a talking level or ear protection?


I have a 735 with helical and there is a big difference in the noise level. Not that I m recommending upgrading the 735 for your purpose.

- TheFridge


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Loren

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#3 posted 06-30-2017 01:33 AM

Any cast iron planer with an induction motor
will be quieter. Part of the noise is from the
cutterhead moving air, which is why 12” and
larger table saws are so loud. The portable
planers use universal brush-type motors that
add a high-frequency whine. The motors
also spin faster as a way to help the planers
power through tougher cuts.

I’d look for something with at least a 3hp motor.
The 4-post designs sold by Grizzly and others
are a proven design.

An insert cutterhead will add considerable expense
but also virtually eliminate the maintenance
hassles of removing, sharpening and replacing
nicked planer knives, an operation that can
take a couple of hours if you have a sharpener
in-house.

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Andre

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#4 posted 06-30-2017 05:09 AM

Check out the Scorpion 12” planer/Jointer, very quiet! about $3600 here in Canada so maybe $2000 US.

-- Lifting one end of the plank.

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AlaskaGuy

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#5 posted 06-30-2017 05:57 AM

Looks Like shipping and inflation is going to up that to 3000 US.

http://www.cwimachinery.com/product/scorpion-12-helical-jointerplaner/

First time I have heard of this brand.

-- Alaskan's for Global warming!

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Fred Hargis

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#6 posted 06-30-2017 10:48 AM

A 15” stationary (I suggest you look at Grizzly) with helical heads is going to be a lot less noisy. You wuld be giving up the universal screamer motor of the 735 as well as the air noise of knives versus the carbide inserts. That’s a lot more than you might think (the inserts). Before I replaced my straight knives with the Byrd, my planer was the only tool I had requiring me to wear my shooting ear muffs while it was running. After the change I get by with just ear plugs. I should add, I had a big DC drawing air through my planer, that makes it a lot more loud.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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Gilley23

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#7 posted 06-30-2017 10:50 AM

Also, look into sound deadening panels to put in the area. They’re expensive to buy, but cheap to make in your own. I’d add these no matter what. Lots of them.

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BigYin

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#8 posted 06-30-2017 11:10 AM

Gilley23 gets my vote

my old workshop had sound deadening panels for my benefit only. Took the reverb out of the power tools. upper walls hung with 1/8 ply door skins with 6 inch rockwool covered with hessian (Burlap ?) ceiling hung with 18 inch wide sections of same double sided, not silent but more comfortable to work in. cost me about £150

why not have someone else feed wood through planer and saw with you outside to see how bad the problem is ?

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Carloz

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#9 posted 06-30-2017 11:40 AM

I would not listen much to the “induction motor is so quiet” suggestions and make a costly mistake. Your DW735 is as noisy as any other cast iron or not planer. It has an additional sound source from the chip ejecting turbine though. Motor noise is the least of concerns.
The most noise comes from the knives hitting the wood. It is the same no matter what kind of motor you have. The helical cutter head on the other hand can make a big difference and is much cheaper than buying a new planer. See here. and here

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jonah

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#10 posted 06-30-2017 12:34 PM

In my experience, induction motor planers are a bit quieter than universal ones, but not enough to where the neighbors will be in favor of it. You’d need a helical head for that.

If it were me, I’d upgrade to a helical head planer, whether thats upgrading the 735 or buying new, and also put in some sound deadening panels. 4-5 panels on the walls or ceiling will go a long way.

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bigJohninvegas

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#11 posted 06-30-2017 12:44 PM

Being attached to a residential area, I agree with sound deadening the shop. I work out of a 3 car garage at home and make it a point not to use my planer or routers after 8pm or before 8-9 am. And I keep the doors shut when I do use them. I have not used a machine with helical cutters yet. I have a ridgid 13” planer, and access to a 17” and a huge 24” planer. I think my ridgid is in the same class as your dewalt. All three seem to be equally loud. Shallower cuts seem to be better for noise, but still way loud.
My garage/shop is fully insulated, including the doors. Neighbors say the don’t hear enough to worry about, but I still avoid the really loud tools in the later hours.

-- John

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#12 posted 06-30-2017 01:16 PM

#8 jointer plane is pretty quiet, near silent if you use helical.

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PPK

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#13 posted 06-30-2017 02:08 PM


#8 jointer plane is pretty quiet, near silent if you use helical.

- gargey

^Funny. I agree wholeheartedly. My arms get tired just thinking about it though…

I also agree with the guys above that say the cast iron models with the induction motors are quieter. Grizzly G0453
is in your budget. Not a helical, but I’ve used the identical model in the General brand, and it’s pretty quiet.
Grizzly G0453Z has the spiral cutter. I’d get that if you can pay for it. I’ve yet to come across someone that regrets a spiral cutterhead.

-- Pete

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Aj2

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#14 posted 06-30-2017 02:46 PM

I also second the vote for a floor planer with a Bryd head.
I also think the 735 fan motor is where most of the noise is coming from.Second is dull knives and the small cutting circle with a low hook angle.

-- Aj

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DrDirt

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#15 posted 06-30-2017 04:08 PM

Even with the new planer, you may need to look at how to deaden sound/modify that wall with Acoustic insulation panels, or some other abatement to “silence the critics”
Not just looking for incrementally quieter tools.

I had the 735 and got a Powermatic 15HH.

It is a lot quieter. but the people in the house still know when I am thicknessing down a pile of drawer fronts.

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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