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Forum topic by Gatsby1923 posted 12-13-2010 08:12 PM 4187 views 0 times favorited 10 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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12-13-2010 08:12 PM

Just curious what is your take on these? Thing is, it reminds me of a grizzly with some extra bells and whistles and I doubt they are made in the USA, not that anyone is claiming that. I this is the model I am looking at. http://www.olivermachinery.net/index.php?node=machines&type_id=5&model=4016 From prices I have been quote it seems like a good bit of machine for the money. If it is just a juiced up grizzly I may pay a bit more for a Delta, Powermatic or Sawstop.

Thanks every one.

Dave M

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#1 posted 12-13-2010 08:36 PM

For the kind of money those saws run I would look at getting
a used Format saw if I were you. Lots of woodworking businesses
are tanking and selling off nice machines at a loss.

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#2 posted 12-13-2010 09:07 PM

Charlie, I would have agreed with you before a week ago when I saw them selling in the $2500 range new. There is a big price jump between the 12 inch and larger saws but I only need a 10 inch. Made me think some one has simply bought a good old name and stuck it on an average saw.

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#3 posted 12-13-2010 10:51 PM

I called Oliver but got lost in the voice mail system so I called the New England Distributor in Billerica Mass. I asked where the Oliver saws are being made. Here was the conversation
“They are made In the The Oliver Plant”
“Oh in Michigan?”
“No, they are manufactured in Taiwan now”

This was on the OWWM website.
“The late 1970s saw the start of hard times for many makers of woodworking machinery. Imported machinery undercut the prices of the domestic makers. To make matters worse, imported furniture was hurting some of the major machinery buyers. In 1986, Oliver Machinery filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

Rich Fink, an original Oliver Machinery employee, has purchased the remaining parts, inventory and drawings of the original Oliver Machinery Co. His new company is called Eagle Machinery and operates out of the same building that Oliver formerly occupied. He has plans (according to an article in Woodshop News) to reintroduce the Oliver 299, their 24” planer.

The Oliver name has also resurfaced on a line of imported Pacific-Rim machinery that is unrelated to the original Oliver line.

Does not mean they are bad, just wondering their quality now?

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#4 posted 12-13-2010 11:00 PM

The New Oliver saws are made in Taiwan and I would expect them to have the same issues as any of the new cabinet saws. Poor customer support, parts availability etc. I have an OLD original Oliver that is currently being restored and the info you have regarding Rich Fink is correct. I have purchased parts from hom for the older Oliver machines, he does not and will not be affiliated with the new Oliver machines. The new machines are not anywhere close to the old stuff and never will be. I have seen the machines up close and was very disappointed. If it is going to carry the Oliver name it needs to be an Oliver, not a taiwanese knock-off. As for the comparison of Oliver to Grizzly, I would think its a toss up. I would look for an older Oliver, pre 60’s, and restore it. I love my 232 and would not rade it for the world. I did sell an old unisaw to make room for my 232 and would do it again in a minute.

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#5 posted 12-13-2010 11:08 PM

Yeah it’s pretty sad that a great American name can be sold as a knock off.

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#6 posted 12-13-2010 11:09 PM

Yeah it’s pretty sad that a great American name can be sold as a knock off.

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#7 posted 12-13-2010 11:33 PM

Don’t know much about the saws and find the information you found very interesting.

What’ also interesting is the pictures of the table saw(s) with the link you provided. I don’t know why, but it sure looks like the fence is superimposed into the pic. Look at the locking handle, it’s behind the white stripe that’s supposed to be on the rail….Very weird.

-- Childress Woodworks

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#8 posted 12-14-2010 12:26 AM

I would check Ebay…there always seems to be a lot of older Oliver restored table saws on there. Maybe Craig’s list too.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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#9 posted 12-14-2010 07:18 AM

OK here are my final thoughts.
A) Thanks to all the guys for making me call the distributor and simply ASK where they are made. Total brain fart on my part.
B) If the price seems too low, it probably is.
C) Look the same saw! http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Heavy-Duty-Cabinet-Table-Saw-With-Riving-Knife/G0651 Only cheaper.

I am now leaning once again to Unisaw, Powermatic, or Sawstop. If I can’t get the cash together and HAVE to get a $2000 range saw the Oliver would win over the grizzly SOLELY because there is a local distributor so I can save on shipping and have some one to bitch at if i need parts.

Thanks again every one!

Dave M.

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#10 posted 01-15-2011 07:31 PM

Gatsby
I too am considering the oliver 4016 & the new unisaw,The oliver is made in tiawan and the unisaw in the US.
The oliver looks Like the Grizzly but it ends there. The oliver has a heavier trunion, and a heavy cast iron base,
The table boards on the grizzly are made from MDF I was told by an oliver rep. that the oliver table boards are
somekind of plastic composit which is much more durable than MDF.also the oliver comes with A 5HP motor.
And from what I can find out the the blade hight & tilt works a lot easier and smoother on the 4016

I have not made my mind up yet still gathering info.

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