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Forum topic by Josha posted 06-25-2017 02:04 PM 4243 views 0 times favorited 19 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Josha

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06-25-2017 02:04 PM

Hi, Im new here. I have been doing allot more handyman / carpentry work this summer (still.a side job, but thinking about going full time) and the need for a jobsite table saw has become pretty clear. it will be used pretty regularly and needs to be reliable.

I started out doing some reserch on amazon and the best reviewed and featured saw seemed to be the dewalt with the integrated rolling stand. I liked the extended rip capacity, rack and pinion fence, and more stable stand design vs the gravity rise ones. however there was a pretty solid number of one star reviews that said their saw had a warped table.

https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DWE7491RS-10-Inch-Jobsite-Capacity/dp/B00F2CGXGG

hoping that it was just an uncommon issue i bought one at a big box store on sale. got it home, put the level on it and sure enough it was quite warped, about a 1/8” bow diagonally across the table. took it back, and said I would accept an exchange if i could examine the new saw first, so they were nice enough to pull the ones they had down and let me take them out of the box and check them. one of them was warped similar to the original saw, and one was better but dipped down on one side of the throat plate so that i could slide about 4 sheets of paper under it with the level on it.

discouraged, i went to look at a number of jobsite saws at various big box stores, bosch, makita, skill, etc, and they were ALL warped equally bad. I have yet to look at the jet because its not avalable at most places, but its allot more expensive too.

I hate to spend good money on a clearly flawed product, but it seems i may have no choice if i want a portable saw. I did look at the masterforce saw at menards, and although it was similarly warped, it was quite a bit less expensive and looked like a better featured copy of the dewalt. same rack and pinion fence, extended capacity, and stable rolling stand, plus an additional outfeed table. So i was leaning twards just taking my chances with that saw because they all seem to be pretty crappy, and may be verry similar in quality with the only difference being paying a couple hundred more for the name.

https://www.menards.com/main/tools-hardware/power-tools-accessories/power-saws-accessories/masterforce-reg-10-jobsite-table-saw/p-1444436497546.htm

any opinions on what i should do? is there a solid used saw i should be looking for? any experience with other brands?

thanks


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TheFridge

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#1 posted 06-25-2017 02:12 PM

The Bosch job site is one of the better ones out there.

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Aj2

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#2 posted 06-25-2017 02:29 PM

I second the Bosch table saw.I have one for about a year and a half with the gravity rise stand.It was a very good saw.

-- Aj

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#3 posted 06-25-2017 02:59 PM

If, instead of measuring the flatness of the Dewalt saw, you had measured its ability to cut square and rip uniformly, you would probably have found that the warpage was irrelevant. Even the best premium level table saws have more tolerance in the flatness specification than you would expect. Reason? If you revisit your high school trigonometry and calculate the error produced by the lack of flatness, you may find that the warpage will produce an error in the cut that isn’t even close to the error you are likely to introduce just by imperfect sawing technique or lack of material flatness.

I agree with Aj that Bosch is about as good as it gets, but I wouldn’t shy away from the Dewalt either.

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eflanders

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#4 posted 06-25-2017 03:09 PM

My Makita has served me very well for over 20 years and it is still going strong so I haven’t looked for a replacement.

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#5 posted 06-25-2017 03:17 PM

I’d stick with the Bosch, Ridgid, or DW, unless you want to spring for the Saw Stop. (I haven’t looked at the Makita, but they do make some good tools)

ArtMann’s point is very valid. Depending on where the deviation is located, it might not make a detectable difference.

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Runner

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#6 posted 06-25-2017 03:22 PM

I saw this at Lowes yesterday. Didn’t think they were allowed to sell it, but it looks like a good contractor saw.

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Loren

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#7 posted 06-25-2017 04:31 PM

I can’t guarantee it but I suspect the warped
tables won’t affect cut quality much.

You do have other options. You can get a
small tilt-top cast iron table saw and use
that. You can invest in a track saw system
like the ez-smart, which does most things
a table saw can do. You could use any old
used portable table saw and build a Jimmy
Jig for it.

I used a cheap Skil portable table saw for
many years. I don’t remember if the table
was warped or not but it wouldn’t surprise
me if it were. It ripped just fine and the
miter gauge was lame. In doing jobsite
work I used a miter saw for all my crosscuts.

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Josha

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#8 posted 06-25-2017 08:18 PM

thanks for all the responses! I forgot to mention that I did throw a square on these saws.as well, and the ones with a dip around the throat (usually different on each side) were as you might expect off square on both sides of the blade different amounts, sometimes out a few digrees. the ones with a consistant hump in the table seemed to be the most true for the blade, but these were also the most warped.

aparently dewalts spec.for out of.flat on this saw is .05”, so i will mabey bring a feeler gauge and see what the actual numbers are, although i know that about4 out of 5 saws i tested were beyond this by quite a bit.

my concern with the saws that have a hump in the middle or more accurately a diagonal hump or twist in most cases, is that with wider boards the cut would vary as it followed the contours.

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MrUnix

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#9 posted 06-25-2017 08:27 PM

You are wasting your time trying to hold a jobsite saw to the standards of a cabinet saw.

Cheers,
Brad

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#10 posted 06-25-2017 11:09 PM

Have to agree with MrUnix on this one. Jobsite saws were designed with the intention of doing contractor type basic framing, general all around cuts. A cabinet saw was designed for more intricate and accurate cutting. I realize that space is limited and mobility and weight are all factors. But it is a stretch to expect the same results and standards from a labeled jobsite saw verses a cabinet or even contractors saw with cast iron tops. Even so with some attention to detail and good jigs you can make do with a jobsite saw for a long time. Know I did before I got a Delta Contractors saw with added cast iron tables.

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papadan

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#11 posted 06-25-2017 11:13 PM

For a used saw, look for an older Ridgid TS2400. Pre China model. Mine is 17 years old now and cuts like new.

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#12 posted 06-25-2017 11:20 PM

Hi Josha
Welcome to Ljs
I bought the Dewalt a year ago I really like the Rack & Pinion Fence System it’s dead on, to me fences are more important than if the tables that are not quite flat, these are job site saws, not high-end cabinet saws.

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Josha

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#13 posted 06-25-2017 11:48 PM



For a used saw, look for an older Ridgid TS2400. Pre China model. Mine is 17 years old now and cuts like new.

- papadan

thanks for the advise, this one is for sale, wonder if theres any way to tell if its a pre china model? seems a bit pricey for a used saw however.

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ank/tls/6171483211.html

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papadan

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#14 posted 06-25-2017 11:52 PM

That’s a pre China saw, China saws have orange housings. Great saw, try and talk him down some because of age, but don’t let it get away. Even has a lifetime warrenty by Ridgid.

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jbay

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#15 posted 06-26-2017 12:10 AM

My partner had an older Ryobi BT3000 for taking on the job site.
It actually was a pretty good saw for the price range.

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