I've been under the impression that it
comes off the mill as 4" on a side and
shrinkage and planing take it down to
dimension. I've seen "real" 2×4s in old
buildings, but they aren't planed.
Not gonna lie, as much as I hate this lawsuit, someone on Facebook posted a photo of the price label for some of the 2×4 and 4×4 and it actually said "2-in x 4-in" or "4-in x 4-in". If I see that, I expect the lumber I'm purchasing to be that size, not nominal sizing. If the label is just 2×4 or 4×4, then I can expect it to be nominal. Does everyone assume nominal even on a label like that? I honestly don't think a lawsuit is necessary; just make HD change it like Lowes and it wouldn't be such a big deal for old and newcomers. (I made the same mistake when I bought my first lumber LONG time ago; I didn't know what the hell nominal was until I got home. We all have a point of beginning in learning this stuff).
So when they figure up square footage of a house and measure length by width and come up with xyz square feet are we being cheated when the walls and such are not taking into account reducing the actual square footage by a good amount? A 8×10 shed from say the Borg is 8×10 on the outside not the inside. So minus the thickness of the walls that comes to 71 sq feet of usable interior space, not 80. Crazy!! I need a beer!
Not gonna lie, as much as I hate this lawsuit, someone on Facebook posted a photo of the price label for some of the 2×4 and 4×4 and it actually said "2-in x 4-in" or "4-in x 4-in". If I see that, I expect the lumber I m purchasing to be that size, not nominal sizing. If the label is just 2×4 or 4×4, then I can expect it to be nominal. Does everyone assume nominal even on a label like that? I honestly don t think a lawsuit is necessary; just make HD change it like Lowes and it wouldn t be such a big deal for old and newcomers. (I made the same mistake when I bought my first lumber LONG time ago; I didn t know what the hell nominal was until I got home. We all have a point of beginning in learning this stuff).
Wanna sue anybody it should be those cookie manufactures that put 9 frickin cookies in one of those molded plastic trays, then charge you 112.00 for it. :>/
In the end we all are the ones that loose. Whatever the settlement or cost to change labels will just be passed on to us with higher prices.
My house is stick framed from 2x material, that is actually 2" x whatever it should be. Same for my uncle's house. So it isn't a scenario where it's a tradition or has always been done this way. So why not label it correctly or mill it correctly. It's a shame it ever came to a lawsuit. Look how many years 3/4" ply wasn't 3/4,"but now it's labeled 21/32.
In manufacturing, a nominal size or trade size is a size "in name only" used for identification. The nominal size may not match any dimension of the product, but within the domain of that product the nominal size may correspond to a large number of highly standardized dimensions and tolerances.
What may get these guys in trouble is that they do label plywood by exact dimensions, yet leave the other as we all know it. Cannot say how many times I have been asked what 21/32 meant and was it 1/2 or 5/8, metric etc etc. No matter the outcome as other have said we all pay for this in the form of higher prices to cover the lawyers, settlement/ judgement and finally changing the signage.
True, I've worked on several OLDER houses that were actual 2"x4" framing. I note none of the edges were rounded either. Still, a 2×4 has been 1-1/2" x 3-1/2" for decades, except at the Borg, where they are 3-3/8" or other.
My house is stick framed from 2x material, that is actually 2" x whatever it should be. Same for my uncle s house. So it isn t a scenario where it s a tradition or has always been done this way. So why not label it correctly or mill it correctly. It s a shame it ever came to a lawsuit. Look how many years 3/4" ply wasn t 3/4,"but now it s labeled 21/32.
I would love to see them come up with a retail store that sells an actual 4×4. If everyone in an industry sells the same size lumber called by the same name, where's the deceit??
Well I think the plaintiff needs to show they were harmed in some way. It's a nuisance suit by the attorneys to get some press and some payout in a settlement.
Similar to what builtinbklyn said, in Iowa you must show a legitimate reason how this adversely affected you, not just that this pi$$ed you off. The flip side to this is if you have not been harmed or adversly affected you are subject to be sued by the defendant for filing a frivolous lawsuit.
Mike
The other day I went looking for some 1 1/2"s x 3 1/2"s but all they had were 2×4's….... :>/
I think I'm going to sue my home contractor,
he told me my home would be built using 2×6's, he ripped me off.. :>/
Once a stud becomes less that an 1 1/2×3 1/2 I don't believe that meets building codes. This could be more than a nuisance.
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