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win223

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06-23-2017 12:11 PM

Topic tags/keywords: shaper laguna

Looking for opinions/experiences on with Laguna shapers, specifically the 5HP MSHAP 5010-0130. One has popped up on my local CL, and it has grabbed my interest. I don’t have a shaper at this point, but I like the idea of jumping in with a 5HP model so I’m not limited from the start. Just haven’t been able to find a lot of info on Laguna’s offerings. The seller is asking about $2700 for it, claiming that its basically new, its been sitting in the shop virtually unused for a year since they bought it. Looks pretty shiny in the pictures. Doesn’t appear to come with any extra tooling.

I’m not looking for general opinions on Laguna and their customer service. I’m aware of their reputation, I have one of their bandsaws, that topic isn’t the purpose of this post. Thanks!


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#1 posted 06-24-2017 01:53 AM

win223,

I have the Laguna 3 hp. shaper model MSHAP4SPD-3-0130 purchased new in 2015. I have used the shaper to rout profiles and mill cope and stick raised panel doors as a hobbyist. I run ¾” bore shaper cutters.

I have found this machine to be a pleasure to use. The spindle shaft raises and lowers smoothly with fine adjustments easily made and it locks securely. The 3 hp. motor has plenty of power for the work I do and has yet to bog down. If any runout of the spindle exists I am unable to detect it in the profiles produced. The split fence operates as one would expect with a micro adjustment for the outfeed fence half (when running stock from right to left). However, the fence design does not allow it to be re-positioned while automatically remaining parallel with the mitre slot. Perhaps the 5 hp. fence operates differently in this regard. Although I do not have a power feeder, the top is taped on both corners for one.

I have had only one very minor problem once. The re-installed largest of the reducing rings that surround the cutter set just a hair proud of the table surface. The reducing rings offer no leveling screws; the cast iron ring is designed to set flush when screwed in place. I rotated the reducing ring and managed to position the ring so that stock did not catch the slightly proud edge of the reducing ring. However, this only occurred once and has not been a subsequent problem. I thought about calling Laguna, but never did since with some fiddling I managed to overcome this annoyance.

I have a 5 hp. dust collector and even with the lower 4” dust port I added, shavings accumulate in the cabinet. Using only the top-side standard dust port would require cleaning out the accumulated shavings from the cabinet. They pile up fast and could interfere with the motor.

Inferring from my limited hobbyist experience with the Laguna 3 hp. shaper, I conclude the 5 hp. Laguna shaper would be a good machine if it has not been abused and is in good working order. However, since the new Laguna Pro Shaper, 5HP 1-Phase, MSHAP5010-0130, is priced at $3000 plus tax and shipping ($75 for shipping if bought from Laguna), $2700 strikes me as an over-priced used machine. It might even be possible to catch a Laguna sale for an even lower price for a new machine.

http://www.lagunabandsaws.com/store/laguna-pro-shaper-mshap5010-0130

https://www.mmtoolparts.com/store/laguna-pro-shaper-mshap5010-0130

As I read the info regarding this machine, it includes a ½” router collet, and ¾” and 1-1/4” spindles. Mine came with a starter pin that threads into the top, a collet wrench, a pair of allen wrenches and a mitre gauge. Also a set of bushings of various thicknesses for each spindle as well as a pair of concentric reducing rings were included with my machine.

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#2 posted 06-24-2017 05:19 AM

Thanks for the reply. My experience with my Laguna bandsaw has been very good, which has me looking pretty closely at this machine. I would agree that the price is high for a used machine, and I’m hoping that I can get it lower, somewhere in the realm of $2000-$2200 would be easier to swallow. One thing that that seller is probably factoring in to their price is freight. I’m up in Alaska, and getting machines up here is pretty expensive. Price is only one of a couple of obstacles to overcome in potentially purchasing this shaper, but I think I’ll contact the seller and see if they are willing to deal a bit. Thanks again for the input, it was very helpful.

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unbob

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#3 posted 06-24-2017 04:35 PM

I started with the smaller shapers, then ended up with a heavy duty one with 5hp. I found shapers really need power with wide cutters.
The most important part “for me” is the fence, most all Asian shapers have crappy fences. At your price point, I would be looking at clean used European machines with a heavy fine adjustable fence.

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win223

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#4 posted 06-24-2017 08:22 PM

I have read that the quality of fence on a shaper (like anything else I guess) is pretty critical to satisfactory operation. The Laguna is a Taiwanese machine, and may very well have a less than satisfactory fence. I am always on the lookout for high quality machines that come up for sale up here in AK, but they are very few and far between. I’d love to pick up a PM2700, but I’ve never caught wind of one on the used market. I keep an eye on CL in Seattle, but that requires a pricey boat ride up, or a 6-8 day round trip drive (it’s a great drive though!). I think the price will have to come down quite a bit on this Laguna for me to pull the trigger on it, probably below 2K.

unbob, what kind of 5hp shaper do you have? I’m assuming that it has performed well for you.

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unbob

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#5 posted 06-25-2017 12:23 AM

I found this shaper in Seattle on CL $750, it is a Boeing surplus machine, I think it was made in the 1960s.
It is an odd machine with the full time overhead bearing support, it was made by Shoda in Japan. It has a 5hp motor on it, but can go up to 10hp. A heavy all cast iron machine at 1 ton.
The fence is heavy duty, weighing over 100lbs, with great repeatable adjustments, I added the cheap indicators for ease of doing the lock miter joint to near perfection.
There are European machines in Canada, also some later Delta branded Italian shapers are considered good.

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