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newbiewoodworker

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1326 days ago

My grandfather got wind about me wanting to buy a USED Tablesaw… he then proceeded to chew me out about how its like buying a “used car” and that its all junk. He wont let it go, that buying used, is not the end of the world.

Now, you could say he isnt exactly the worst off. He comes from a well paying job($150k/year, before retirement) so he never HAD to buy used.

He keeps saying to me “You’re better off buying new” “You can’t get quality used” et cetera. I tried explaining to him, that they dont make em like they used to. And that I frankly, CANNOT afford to buy a new Cabinet(even a decent Hybrid) Saw… Its just too much, I have to pay bills now(insurance will start within the next month and a day(Jan 5), and my funds are dwindliing as it is… Not to mention they wont support me getting a part time job.. during the school year…)

And of course my father requires his father’s blessing on ever single freakin thing..

How do I knock some sence into these people. They want me to buy a table saw… and only chip in $300.. thats my limit as well… So for $600, they want me to get a decent saw…
—When I showed my father the Craigslist ad, he said “oh, I wasnt planing on getting you something like that… I meant smaller… ” Well, what do you expect.. me to buy something that will either break in a year, or I will get injured more easily by…
——I learned my lesson buying cheap tools… my planer is now squeaking, the cutterhead got mangled(somehow 1 of the blade holders/blades got bent…), The bandsaw i got cheap… it failed within a year, same as the planer… I dont know about you, but frankly, its more expensive to buy cheap…

Im proving small point by playing, albiet a tad loudly, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNzmrEgz_GI(its my life by the Animals)

-- "Ah, So your not really a newbie, but a I betterbie."


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juniorjock

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#1 posted 1326 days ago

You’re learning fast Newbie….... If you buy low price tools to start with, you’ll end up paying more in the long run when you have to replace them with something up to par. Maybe you should let the subject rest for a while, get your thoughts together and then talk with your family again. As far as $600 for a table saw, I’m sure you could find a very nice new saw for that. I paid $550 for my Grizzly, but I don’t think they offer that model now. Surely they have something similar though. Good luck.
- JJ

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Jamie Speirs

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#2 posted 1326 days ago

Sounds like your Grandfather would be good for a new Sawstop? :)
Just to ensure Great Grandchildren.

jamie

-- Who is the happiest of men? He who values the merits of others, and in their pleasure takes joy, even as though 'twere his own. --Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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PurpLev

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#3 posted 1326 days ago

although a 3K saw might be great, most folks here me included have decent saws in the $500 range. there ARE good deals to be found even if you are not getting a unisaw.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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ClayandNancy

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#4 posted 1326 days ago

Hey hang in there maybe show them some of the replies you got from fellow woodworkers here on LJ. I believe you got a lot recommending a good used saw. Boy don’t show that video to Dad Or Gramps or your next saw will be a serrated knife from the dinner table.

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newbiewoodworker

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#5 posted 1326 days ago

hahaha… it was a joke… lol

-- "Ah, So your not really a newbie, but a I betterbie."

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Dennisgrosen

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#6 posted 1326 days ago

okay here is the deal to the old gnarvorn member of the fammely
tell them you trow the 300,- you can afford then they give the rest to the saw you realy want
and you walk out and buy the biggest cabinetsawstop there is = its new , its the safty´s on the market at the moment and don´t forget to buy the catridge for when you want to use Dadoblades in it
bee sure you have a signed signature on the written deal before you take them with you
to pay for the saw
I´ll bett that will cure them for a while to interfere like that
father and grandfather is there when asked for an advice to guide not to make the dessision
and I´m sure the old man if he can see the passion for the real thing =woodworking he will suport
you with the money with a smile inside his face not leting you know its there becourse his hiding it
behind the bad words coming out of his mouth becourse his vallet had lost waight
I don´t try to tell you ,you will get the suport from him but by standing on your case and stay there
you will win his respect every time you go against him speciel if the arguments is well backed up by knowledge
of the thing you talk about
go knock them down they both deserve it in this case
hope you come back with an update in triumf

best thoughts
Dennis

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patron

12953 posts in 1937 days


#7 posted 1326 days ago

could it be
there might be one under the tree
at christmas ?
leave lot’s of ad’s laying around
with good saws

wish you the best in this

even grandpa
should know the difference
in a new pinto
and a mercedes

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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patron

12953 posts in 1937 days


#8 posted 1326 days ago

here is a grizzly
maybe mom can help too
(you might have to make your bed more often
and help with the trash) lol

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Tablesaw-with-Riving-Knife-Polar-Bear-Series/G0715P

don’t be petulant
be honest
safety first

cheap isn’t safe

-- david - only thru kindness can this world be whole . If we don't succeed we run the risk of failure. Dan Quayle

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newbiewoodworker

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#9 posted 1326 days ago

“cheap isn’t safe”

My point exactly… lol

Mom is helping… with a Nail gun, and a new drill…. :)

Grandparents generally get me….wait for it…..wait for it…. Clothes….lol…

-- "Ah, So your not really a newbie, but a I betterbie."

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lilredweldingrod

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#10 posted 1326 days ago

Hey Newbie,
You will not be able to “knock some since” into your families head. Don’t even waste your time. Go out and find yourself a good deal on an older saw, Oliver, delta, uni. etc. Bring it home on the QT and say nothing to anyone while you rebuild it and repaint it and make it look like it did when it was new. Then invite them over to see your NEW SAW! But only after you have a small project to go with it. End of battle. There are a lot of ways to keep peace in the family and give a learning lesson as well.
They may not be perfect, but they will always be YOUR family. Never lose sight of that. Because in the future you will most assuredly need them and they ,you.
You are on the right track and you have a lot to learn, just like the rest of us. Not one person came out of the womb with all the knowledge as to which tool is best or worst or even what a nail is or was.
For now get the best saw you can afford. After all it is not the tool that makes the man, it is the man that makes the tool.
Check out Dilo. Not one power tool. All hand tools and in a small closet. And look at the beauty he creates. Check out Benji Reyes, and I could go on and on. Remember it is YOU not the tool. With out what is going on in your heart and between your ears, the tool is nothing.
Good luck and best wishes to you. Thank you for listening to an old man’s rantings. Rand

PS…At least with clothes, you won’t need to work naked.

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newbiewoodworker

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#11 posted 1326 days ago

Slight Issue, Welding Rod: I live with my parents… I am 15(going on 16)... lol… So I cant exactly hide a 500lb saw under my mattress…

Yea… that is a good point… considering I burned holes in many of my clothes welding.. lol… every day I find a new hole… and I havent welded in over a month… lol…

-- "Ah, So your not really a newbie, but a I betterbie."

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lilredweldingrod

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#12 posted 1326 days ago

After 40 years welding, I found that you burn little holes that takes the washer and dryer to help grow. And about the time the clothes get real comfortable, they are more holey than righteous.

Now about that 500 lb saw under your mattress; there is your project. Boy what a surprise that will be when Momma comes in to change the sheets. lol

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Dennisgrosen

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#13 posted 1326 days ago

both David and Rand is coming with very good advices here
wait to after Chrismas to buy atleast if its going to bee a new
I don´t know how its over there but here in europe its often cheaper after Chrismas = more for the money

and rebuild /restoring an old quality maschine can be a chanlenge maybee something not for you but you can realy
get some fantastic maschines for small amount of money and alot of albowgrease

Dennis

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newbiewoodworker

668 posts in 1423 days


#14 posted 1326 days ago

Ahh, Welding… that makes perfect sense, thanks… that must be what is occuring…
——Yea.. atleast the fence will ensure I dont fall out of the bed…. lol… and If I have back trouble, I can always crank up the blade a little, to provide a little pressure/non-electric acupuncture…... :P

Dennis: I think I understand what you are getting at. But, i dont quite see through the language barrier on that last part…
——Only seasonal things here are ususally cheaper… I doubt TSes are seasonal…

-- "Ah, So your not really a newbie, but a I betterbie."

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rance

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#15 posted 1326 days ago

Tell grandpa to put his money where his mouth is. You pay 300 and he pays the rest. Then make him a real nice box.

-- Backer boards, stop blocks, build oversized, and never buy a hand plane--

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