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Forum topic by GrizzlyBagWorks posted 06-13-2017 02:42 AM 461 views 0 times favorited 5 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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GrizzlyBagWorks

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06-13-2017 02:42 AM

Hi Guys,

I was hoping to get a little feedback on a project I’m about to embark on. Some friends of ours recently asked me to make four 42”x84” interior barn doors for 2 closets in their new house. Initially I was planning on getting 6/4 ponderosa pine (their preference) and making standard floating panel doors with a final thickness of 1-3/8” for the rails and stiles.

Problem is, I can’t get 6/4” ponderosa or knotty pine anywhere. Closest thing is the “common board” at home depot which is 3/4” thick.

I’m looking on the web and their appears to be a TON of tutorials and photos of people literally gluing up a layer of vertical pieces, then gluing the “frame” right on top. Images below.

This seems to run counter to everything I’ve ever done. Gluing up a 42” wide panel and then gluing boards across the grain seems crazy and asking for warpage.

To complicate the matter further, I’m looking at professional barn door makers and it looks like they’re nailing the ‘frames’ right on top of tongue and groove. How are they getting away with this?

http://www.barnpros.com/barn-store.aspx?itemid=2377&prodid=10616&pagetitle=Arched+Top+Barn+Door

Can I make these doors like the method below without concern?


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Rich

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#1 posted 06-13-2017 03:23 AM

The only way I can see doing it is to either shiplap the panels and leave a slight gap, or attach the tongue-and-groove to the frame with some room to move. Composite panels would be pretty stable, but probably aren’t the look you’re going for.

-- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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Loren

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#2 posted 06-13-2017 04:25 AM

The tongue and groove allows for movement
in a board-and-batten door. In nailing down
the boards it is important however to keep
the spacing of the boards even so the tongues
aren’t bottoming-out in the grooves.

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Rick_M

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#3 posted 06-13-2017 04:41 AM

Nailing and gluing are different things. Gluing fixes things together and prevents expansion and contraction. Nails are mild steel and will bend and give allowing wood to move.

-- http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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jerryminer

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#4 posted 06-13-2017 04:56 AM

The reason it works (attaching a T&G panel to a cross-grain rail system) is because the individual T&G boards are not glued together, but are free to expand/contract individually—the T&G joint hides the varying gap that forms with seasonal movement.

Screw or nail the T&G to the frame, but DO NOT glue the T&G boards together. Lots of barn doors done this way. Works fine.

-- Jerry, making sawdust professionally since 1976

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Bumpy

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#5 posted 06-13-2017 10:38 AM

Where are you located? In central NC, 8/4 Knotty Pine is @ $1.50 bd/ft. Most is 8-10 wide up to 16’

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