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Forum topic by Howie posted 11-30-2010 11:24 PM 2413 views 0 times favorited 15 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Howie

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11-30-2010 11:24 PM

Has anyone else tried this? I’ve tried to use it twice and am not impressed with the results. I’ve tried brushing with a foam brush and wiping with a pad, neither was impressive to me. This was a pecan stain and maybe I’m expecting too much. I used it on pine,stirred as needed,sanded to 180(from 100 thru the grits) applied a sealer(minwax sealer).
Any comments? Maybe it’s operator failure(??) I just get better results with the stand alone stain and then the poly.

-- Life is good.


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Adam

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#1 posted 11-30-2010 11:38 PM

I used it once, didn’t like it either.

Adam

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wseand

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#2 posted 11-30-2010 11:54 PM

Used it once and that was all still collecting dust. Can’t stand the min-wax sealer either, I just use mineral spirits. I do like Cabots wood conditioner though it tends to work better than min-wax sealer IMO.

-- Bill - "Freedom flies in your heart like an Eagle" Audie Murphy

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ChrisForthofer

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#3 posted 12-01-2010 02:18 AM

Used it too, not impressed at all. Finish was very uneven (partially my fault) and despite how fast I moved and how little I lapped over into the previous stroke it still seemed to “suspend” the pigment in the poly instead of staining the wood. This all despite constant stirring and yes the can was fresh.

Chris.

-- -Director of slipshod craftsmanship and attention deficit woodworking

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Howie

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#4 posted 12-01-2010 03:36 AM

Chris, that’s the problems I was having. It just seemed like the staining properties didn’t work for me.

-- Life is good.

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richgreer

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#5 posted 12-01-2010 03:53 PM

Like others – used it once – never again.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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poopiekat

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#6 posted 12-01-2010 04:20 PM

My wife just chose Minwax stain/poly, a nice red cherry for her cherry armoire project currently in the shop. After sanding the casework down to bare-wood over and over, about 6 times now, and still not getting it to look right…gotta laugh over that ‘one-step’ logo on the can. Never again. Oddly, I love using ‘Golden Oak” on red oak lumber. Never a problem. Cherry and Maple need a different approach I guess. Definitely not using stain-and-finish products on them. Good topic, Howie!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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rhett

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#7 posted 12-01-2010 04:29 PM

Mixing stain with poly has its applications. The point of the technique IS to suspend color over an entire project, usually to even out blotchyness or to compliment a lighter undertone. Works best with darker stains/colors. It’ not intended to bypass the conditioning of poor staining woods

-- It's only wood.

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Howie

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#8 posted 12-01-2010 05:49 PM

Thanks for the comment Rhett but I think I’m going to stick with my separate stain and then poly. I’ve never had a problem with it. I agree about the lighter undertone comment but I should of had some color(pecan) granted that is light. I stirred it for a good 5 minutes. I can’t recommend this stuff to anyone but to each his own.

-- Life is good.

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tooldad

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#9 posted 12-01-2010 06:08 PM

Unless they are mixed and applied 50-50 you will get unevenness. Also I usually put on 3-4 coats of poly or lacquer. That doesn’t work with the combo.

I too am not impressed with the product. It is designed as a marketing tool for those who are an occasional project builder, not a dedicated weekend warrior or the professional.

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poopiekat

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#10 posted 12-01-2010 10:00 PM

I might try it again… if I ever make the leap to HVLP. But I’ll never hand-apply one-step again!

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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ChrisForthofer

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#11 posted 12-03-2010 03:15 AM

Sounds like there are other techniques to try but in my case I was staining oak, not a typically blotch prone wood. I applied it per the instructions, mentioned nothing about thinning. I have since purchased “Understanding Wood Finishing” by Bob Flexner. Incredible book, there are dozens of different finishes that seem easier to apply and look better so I wont be buying and “easy” all in one finish any time soon. I appreciate the tips though.

Chris.

-- -Director of slipshod craftsmanship and attention deficit woodworking

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wseand

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#12 posted 12-03-2010 03:23 AM

Its like buying a primer/paint combo. Its either one or the other can’t be both as far as I am concerened.

-- Bill - "Freedom flies in your heart like an Eagle" Audie Murphy

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Steven H

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#13 posted 12-03-2010 03:36 AM

1) Minwax stain is crap.
2)
Apply the stain and poly separately.

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Bill White

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#14 posted 12-03-2010 09:09 PM

I use Seal Coat as a sealer on just about all my projects. Dries quickly and helps to solve the blotching. I have also started working with a wiping varnish. Seal, stain, wipe, recoat several times to build enough finish.
THERE AIN’T NO “ONE COAT DOES IT” FINISH.
Finishing is an art and is a vital part of woodworking. Don’t scrimp-don’t use poly unless the object is a high-use product (table top, etc.).
Bill

-- bill@magraphics.us

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newbiewoodworker

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#15 posted 12-03-2010 09:27 PM

I cant say I have… but I have found Stain and BLO work well, when mixed… it gives a nice colour..

It sometimes helps to experiment, like I did with the Stain and BLO… sort of a Danish Oil..

I specifically now, keep a thing of “Mini” tupperware containers in my Shop Cabinet, just for doing so… you you can get many different combos not available in store,

-- "Ah, So your not really a newbie, but a I betterbie."

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