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06-04-2017 03:44 AM

Hay guys new to the forums and this is my first lathe but it needs a little work and i cant find any markings stating what make/model it is wondering if any of you guys can help me out

thanks
jeff


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#1 posted 06-04-2017 04:40 AM

Homemade frankenlathe

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#2 posted 06-04-2017 05:31 AM

Don’t recognize it, and it may be a frankenlathe like Rick suggests. You could try browsing the pictures over at the VintageMachienery site to see if you can find a similar one to narrow it down. Determining the swing and spindle size might help once you determine a manufacturer. It does have a spindle adapter on it, so I’m guessing it has an odd-ball spindle size.

But before you use it, I’d at least drain the headstock and put in some fresh oil. Even better yet would be to take it apart and clean things up before re-oiling. Were you planning on doing a tear-down and restore, or just putting it into use?

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#3 posted 06-04-2017 05:49 AM

i picked it up from craigslist and the prev owner was using it up until today. he is getting a grizzly to replace it. figured id use this till i get the hang of lathe work then upgrade, so a full tare down wasent in the plans. when ran at his house the only thing you could hear was the motor running, i asked him if he ever oiled the headstock and he told me no, he was told it dint need it done.

Im trying to find a live center for the tailstock. He though it was a #0, looked at ebay and found one there but i just wanted to make sure im getting the right part.

it is a 12” swing from what he told me. i dint measure it yet. ive been looking at pics a lot today to find something the looks like this or at least a tailstock so i can get the right parts but dint find any that looked like it.

How and what kind of oil would go in the headstock? might as well get it running as good as i can still have to get a few things for it before i use it… tools,mask and a chuck.

thanks for the help guys

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#4 posted 06-04-2017 06:02 AM

The PO may be right… but there is a capped oil fill on the side of the headstock. You would have to determine what kind of bearings the thing is using. If it has bronze sleeve bearings, then it needs to be oiled. If it’s been fitted with ball bearings, then it wouldn’t. Any non-detergent light machine oil should work. I use AW32 hydraulic oil in both my Delta and my South Bend, but there are plenty of other alternatives out there.

As for the taper on the tailstock, just measure it. You want to determine the taper per inch. Easy way is to use drill bits. Once you know that, you can look up the taper size online (like here). Hopefully, it’s a standard morse taper as the others are rather difficult to find.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#5 posted 06-04-2017 02:38 PM

I just looked at the link Brad posted, and wow, that’s a pretty small MT. 3/8” at the large end and .250 at the small end.

I took another look at your picture and it looks like that might be an adapter sticking out of that quill. If you have a through hole, get yourself a knockout bar, about 5/16” od and long enough to reach whatever obstruction there might be, and see if you can knock it out. if it pops out, measure the opening, and check the numbers in the link Brad posted. Find the match, and get yourself live center that works.

Get a close up picture of the ends of your tail stock and post it. Something might show up that could be helpful…....

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#6 posted 06-04-2017 02:53 PM

Not sure, looks like it’s a decent sturdy lathe though. Does the motor say anything? Can’t read it from the photo.

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#7 posted 06-04-2017 04:17 PM

Being shop made, the oil port may be vestigial. But if you need need oil, 3N1 is a light machine oil appropriate for lathe headstocks.

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#8 posted 06-04-2017 07:23 PM

thanks for the help guys! this might be a little long. did a lot of measuring

Cbraun the motor is a 1/2 hp craftsman and from what i can tell its vary sturdy PO had 2 bag of grout on the shelf below so im going to have to get some of that lol

here is a diagram of all the measurements i did for the tailstock


according to this it might be a MT#0

there is a hole in the the shaft attached to the handle that im assuming lets the live center sit in?

I opened the drain plug and tipped it on its side and nothing came out


im wondering if it would be worth cracking the case open to see what bearings are being used, what do you guys think?

im going to assume from these pics that it is a 12inch swing?


There is a big chip out of one of the gear pulleys from the head-stock would there be anyway of getting a replacement for this here is a pic of the shaft it has to go on

again thanks for all the help guys i really appreciate it
jeff

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#9 posted 06-04-2017 07:57 PM

That does appear to be, maybe, possibly, a MT0 taper – but the measured drawing is a bit confusing as to where you took the inside measurement.

As for oiling and bearings, I’d pull the spindle just to make sure. The one picture looks like it has some type of foam around the spindle? Anyway, it should be fairly easy to remove the spindle to see what is in there and determine if anything needs attention.

As for the motor, it DOES have sleeve bearings, so it will need oiling. There should be two oil fill holes just above each bearing on the end-caps. There will be some felt ‘wicks’ that surround the bearings which absorb the oil and allow it to flow out to the bearing via a capillary action. Those things tend to be dirt and grime magnets, so I usually pull them and give a good cleaning in solvent first (MS, DNA, etc…) before re-saturating. And man, that shaft is tore up! Was probably 5/8” in diameter when it was new :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#10 posted 06-04-2017 08:19 PM

For the measurements i used drill bits one at the vary opening that would not slide in but would just sit on top (11/32 bit = .343) of the shaft and one all the way in with no wiggle room at the end (15/64=.23). then measured the distance from the front of the shaft to where it ends (1.79), and then from the front of the shaft till it hits the front of the adjustment screw (2.2).

ill go crack the case open and see what i find will be more pics lol. ya the drive shaft is pretty beat up im guessing i could just use a 5/8 3-4 pulley assembly? i was thinking 4 just in case i needs it to turn slower or should i just find the same size and call it good?

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#11 posted 06-04-2017 09:10 PM

MT0 is dinky, have one my GP tailstock. Definitely open it up because if it has plain or open bearings, it needs oil. Just because he didn’t oil it, isn’t proof that it doesn’t require oil. Could help date it. Before you throw too much money in it, take a look at my article on buying vintage lathes. http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/p/how-to-buy-vintage-lathe.html

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#12 posted 06-04-2017 09:53 PM

ok. opened it up and finally found some markings on the inside of the cap

here is the bearing assembly

and here are the bearings

well what do you guys think? worth my time to get the parts needed to get it to turn stuff… or turn it into a disk sander lol

thanks for the help guys!
jeff

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#13 posted 06-04-2017 10:17 PM

Disc sander

-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/

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#14 posted 06-04-2017 10:51 PM



Disc sander

- Rick M


think it might be going that way lol, might have found an older delta with alot of stuff with it! lets home he has it still

175 to much? for everything on and under the table?

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#15 posted 06-04-2017 11:00 PM

Wow… Frankenlathe for sure. Someone got really creative on that thing… that headstock came from, well, bet you would have never guessed! Certainly didn’t start out in life as a lathe :)

(For the answer, see here )

Cheers,
Brad

PS: $175 for the Delta isn’t too bad given all the stuff it comes with.

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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