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James

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1343 days ago

Hello,
I just bought a Stanley Bedrock plane. Here is the problem. Its a no 4 not a 604 but this leads me to believe that this might be a type 1 bedrock plane. Its got the patent date of Apr 2-95 but not sure if my information is correct or not. I have attached some pics. It would be great if someone could give me some more info on this plane.


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richgreer

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#1 posted 1343 days ago

There are people who know a lot more about these planes than I do. However, I have recently developed an interest in old Stanley planes. I recently saw a (allegedly) Bedrock plane on e-bay that was labelled as a No. 4 – not a 604. Some people on this forum said that is not possible and at least one person said that it could be legit.

I can tell you that if this is a Bedrock it is a very early Bedrock because it has the curved side. Somewhere around 1910 they switched to a squared look on the sides (like the Lie Nielsens today).

Don’t get too hung up on this. It looks like you have a nice plane that, with a little TLC, could be a very nice plane. I see that it has a corrugated bottom.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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Dennisgrosen

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#2 posted 1343 days ago

not that I know much about stanley and where the seperate types arived
but just a thought if you take it appart and look at the bottom and the frog then you
can deside if its a bedrock or not
all I can see from the pictures is that it cuold be a levercap that has been moved
from another plane to this, sorry to bee the devils lawyer on the isue

take care
Dennis

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JerryS

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#3 posted 1343 days ago

See what you come up with using this to date it . Link

Let us know once you figure it out or if your still having trouble .

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DrewM

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#4 posted 1343 days ago

Looks to me to be a pre 1908 bedrock. If I remember correctly bedrocks had the one patent date on the bed an it was APR 2 95 non-bedrock single patent date beds had 7-24-88 cast into them. Looks to me with some minor work you will have a great tool there. Go out and make some shavings.

-- Drew, Delaware

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James

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#5 posted 1343 days ago

after looking at a couple of different websites and talking to a few other folks. I think its a bedrock No 4 Type 1. Not a 604. it looks like they did not start calling it a 604 until the type 2 came out. I have been told that its not a great user plane, which is to bad not sure what I am going to do with it now.

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Dennisgrosen

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#6 posted 1343 days ago

what´s make it a bad user compare to the other stanley´s

Dennis

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James

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#7 posted 1343 days ago

not really sure, that is what someone else told me.

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lwllms

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#8 posted 1343 days ago

How about a photo of the frog and one of the seat for the frog? I think you have a Type 1 or type 2 Bedrock but I can’t tell.

BTW, they are very good user planes. The only advantage of the later planes is that it’s easier to adjust the frog for setting the mouth opening. I can’t see you’d do that often with a smooth plane.

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James

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#9 posted 1343 days ago

I will take more pics in the morning. That is good news that its a good user plane, that was my intention when I first got the plane was to use it.

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racerglen

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#10 posted 1343 days ago

Just hauled out my trusty Stanley tool guide.
They apear to be very rare, the only visable mark being the lever cap. and that they have the different frog.
Something else to look for is factory milling done to remove a patent date on the bed behind the frog, a sept 3 1895 was taken out as it aplied to something else and most were milled after the jappaning had been applied. If it’s the real deal the patent date left would be Apr 2 1895. some also have an “S” casting mark on the bed.
And one more trivia bit..these Bedrocks were mostly shorter in overall length than the standard Bailey types.

The first Bedrocks were in fact numbered 2 through 8, never was a Bedrock number 1.

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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poopiekat

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#11 posted 1342 days ago

Did Bedrocks EVER have corrugated bottoms?

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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racerglen

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#12 posted 1342 days ago

Yup.. Full line from 2 to 8, and then 602 to 608

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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poopiekat

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#13 posted 1342 days ago

Thanks, Glen! If I saw one on eBay, I woulda been skeptical.

-- Einstein: "The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." I'm Poopiekat!!

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racerglen

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#14 posted 1342 days ago

Welcome..!
An impulse buy in the late 90’s.. John Walter’s book “Antique and collectable Stanley Tools” I don’t know if it’s still in print or not but a veritable wealth of info on everything from their catalogues
to screwdrivers and of course planes.

-- Glen, Vernon B.C. Canada

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James

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#15 posted 1342 days ago

I cleaned it up with evaporust and it actually worked very well. I also took more pictures with the very distinctive markings that you Glen was referring too.

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