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05-31-2017 12:22 PM

Haven’t had this long, but am having some issues.

Namely, when I go to add the micro-bevel, it is not parallel to the primary bevel and blades are not coming out square. Am using the deluxe jig, and setting the blades with the registration jig.

What’s strange is I took a Lie Nielsen plane iron straight from the factory and started honing the primary bevel. This was not parallel to LN’s factory bevel. I assumed the honing guide was more precise and kept going.

Once I established the new primary bevel, you’d think the micro-bevel would be parallel to that new edge, coming out of the same jig, no?

I experienced this same issue on some old chisels.

I’ve read that clamping the iron in too tight can cause problems but I’ve had things pop loose during honing when I thought the screws were snug.

Checked the blade with my Woodpeckers 8” square and it’s a tiny bit out of square, but it’s really just one corner where I can see daylight.

Stones are Shapton, lapped with a diamond plate and regularly cleaned of particles.

Thoughts?

Thanks.


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#1 posted 05-31-2017 12:27 PM

I have one of those too. I have the EXACT same issue. But when I’m done sharpening a chisel, it is beyond razor sharp. Even with the micro bezel at the wrong angle. So I just go with it.

I guess its a good thing I pay like $20 for a set of 4 chisels….

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#2 posted 05-31-2017 12:28 PM



I have one of those too. I have the EXACT same issue. But when I m done sharpening a chisel, it is beyond razor sharp. Even with the micro bezel at the wrong angle. So I just go with it.

I guess its a good thing I pay like $20 for a set of 4 chisels….

- BigPimpin

Good to know I’m not just being stupid with it. Yes, it’s still getting me sharp tools, but I’m not impressed with the jig.

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#3 posted 05-31-2017 12:36 PM

I had similar Problems. My fix is to use the registration to set the micro bevel.

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#4 posted 05-31-2017 12:38 PM

So pull the chisel out of the of the guide and re-register it to do the micro-bezel??

I figured once you removed the blade from the guide it would be just about impossible to get the same angle again. I will try this later today….

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#5 posted 05-31-2017 12:41 PM



So pull the chisel out of the of the guide and re-register it to do the micro-bezel??

I figured once you removed the blade from the guide it would be just about impossible to get the same angle again. I will try this later today….

- BigPimpin

Well, what if you’re able to get the micro-bevel parallel to primary, but both are out of square?

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#6 posted 05-31-2017 12:41 PM

accidentally double posted…

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#7 posted 05-31-2017 01:21 PM

same issue. i bought the mk2 to replace the veritas sharpening system because constant battle with squareness but realized….sold it(also, too many attachments to buy). still use the veritas ss and eclipse because i feel i can really crank down on the blade holders. still little out of square but easily addressed by lateral adjusters if doing plane irons..

one thing convenient about veritas ss is micro bevels are easy and convenient but don’t even use its refer guide

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#8 posted 05-31-2017 01:42 PM

Sometimes we overlook the obvious stuff. One of the Veritas guides has a flat roller designed for chisels and one as a convex roller designed to help taper the edges of plane irons. Are you perhaps using the wider unit on your chisels? I am also a relatively new user of this jig but have found that if I am not careful to tighten the two pressure knobs by repeatedly alternating between them, then the chisel or plane iron can move a little bit. On multiple occasions I have run into this problem and had to reregister the setup.

I’ve been trying to bring a good old set of Marples chisels back to sharp so have given my jig some long workouts on oil stones.

Michael

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#9 posted 05-31-2017 01:51 PM

I guess it’s not much help to you, Ben, but I have not had that problem. I did find that the regular head was pretty weak on chisels due to a lack of surface area for gripping, so I got the so-called narrow blade head, which clamps from the sides.

I was concerned when I sharpened the blade on a new plane recently that it was not parallel to the existing edge, but checking it with my square showed the Mk II was doing it right. We’re only talking about being able to see a thin bead of light, so it wasn’t a big deal anyway.

I do dislike how tight you have to turn the knobs to get it tight enough not to shift during use. The knobs are too small in my opinion to get a good grip. I keep some 4” channel locks handy for that. I also find that the the narrow blade head often does not seat the edges of the chisel fully in the channel. For that, I tighten it, then wiggle the chisel and tighten it again.

If you like the jig and plan to keep using it, I do recommend the narrow blade head for chisels. Also, crank down those knobs for plane blades, since the slightest shift is all it takes to skew the edge slightly.

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#10 posted 05-31-2017 03:03 PM

I have the same problem the the MKII, mainly with narrow chisels. It’s great for plane blades and wider chisels but my narrow chisels all ended up with a small skew no matter how carefully I set them in the MKII. Haven’t tried the narrow blade attachment for the MKII yet; the majority of my sharpening now is with a cheap “Eclipse” type sharpening jig.

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#11 posted 05-31-2017 03:19 PM

I fought the same issues with the jig. Would get a good edge but off from square. I only used it for a short period of time and then decided on simply holding the tool, be it chisel or blade in my hands and free hand sharpening. I can do very well doing that and to do a micro bevel, I just raise just a smidge. It works well enough. If I’m trying to reestablish the angle, say for an old chisel I find, I use my rotary sharpener and free hand there too. I check every little bit to make sure I am on track with square and I am getting the right angle or very close.

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#12 posted 05-31-2017 03:23 PM

I had the same problem. It went a way when I started making sure that the knobs were tightened equally. I found that if one side of the clamping mechanism was higher than the other, I would bet a skewed bevel.

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#13 posted 05-31-2017 11:21 PM

Buy the LN guide. Keep the LV for any skewed blades.

I just wish the LV narrow guide went out to 2+ inches. That would make it a good jig

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#14 posted 06-01-2017 02:52 AM

Same problem here. Returned mine in fact twice. Never got it to work consistently. Even have the same Shapton stones. I’ll keep it around for now but I think I’m going to go the way of freehand. Too frustrating relying on an unreliable jig.

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#15 posted 06-01-2017 02:27 PM

I too have had issues when sharpening certain chisels. My solution was like Chris208. I also added a strip of rubber in the clamping mechanism. It now prevents the chisels from moving.

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