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Forum topic by Karda posted 05-29-2017 05:45 PM 808 views 0 times favorited 26 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Karda

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05-29-2017 05:45 PM

Hi, when I start to hollow out my bowel the gouge cuts fine till I get to the side then the gouge hardly cut and the dust is fine as flower what am I doing wrong


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papadan

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#1 posted 05-29-2017 06:00 PM

Try rotating your gouge until you find the right angle for it. Without seeing what you’re doing we can’t say what you’re doing wrong.

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#2 posted 05-29-2017 06:46 PM

Go to youtube, and look for vids by Robohippy. He has one on gouges. About 18 minutes if I recall. He’s pretty detailed, and you should catch on quickly or you’ll get catches…......... Jerry (in Tucson)

-- Jerry (in Tucson) www.woodturnerstools.com

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#3 posted 05-30-2017 07:07 AM

Is it a bowl gouge or spindle gouge? If the former, try Papadan’s advice and rotate until it cuts. A spindle gouge will give you trouble.

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Bill White

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#4 posted 05-30-2017 02:14 PM

A gouge on your “bowels” can be pretty painful. No on bowls….that’s a different story. (Just couldn’t resist the snarky comment).
Show us the pics of your gouge grind. We might be able to help ya a little better.
Bill

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GR8HUNTER

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#5 posted 05-30-2017 02:36 PM

just as Dan mentioned rotate into your bowls ..in other words follow the bowl contour …GOOD LUCK :<))

-- Tony Reinholds,Pa. REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN

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Karda

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#6 posted 05-30-2017 04:43 PM

ok smart ass since I started this thread i have been working real hard to spell bowel and correcting it just want to spell it wrong, i new I would get that reaction if i spelled it wrong oh well make a good laugh. no it is not a spindle gouge it is a bowl gouge. here are picture of my grind

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OSU55

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#7 posted 05-30-2017 07:54 PM

Try the pics again. Too out of focus to see anything.

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LeeMills

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#8 posted 05-30-2017 09:03 PM

Can’t really say why you are getting such fine dust. Probably the tool presentation and sounds like what you may get using it as a scraper (flat) since a lot of it is end grain.
It appears your grind is not a smooth continuous flow but has some abrupt changes. I think the “hump” makes some cuts much more difficult (see Lyles video).
Here are videos from Lyle Jamieson and John Lucas on grinds and correcting errors.
Don’t get discouraged… as Jimmy Clewes stated, .. new turners have a lot to thing about at the same time.
I would compare it to when you first learned to drive with a stick shift… shifting and moving feet while watching the road front and back. A lot going on until it becomes second nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3liDhY_zxSc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9G16ylEZHQ

-- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein

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Karda

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#9 posted 05-30-2017 09:50 PM

thanks for the videos, I’ll study them later. I am finding that the videos mean more now that I actualy have something to work on. Thanks Mike

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Karda

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#10 posted 05-31-2017 08:51 PM

guess I will quit bowl turning, nothing I do or videos i watch seem to help

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Nubsnstubs

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#11 posted 05-31-2017 10:34 PM

Karda, if you think quitting is the way to go, by all means, quit. But if it was me, I’d would rethink my form shapes. Try a plate, or platter, if your lathe will allow anything that large. Coin dishes are easy, and you can make them any shape or depth you choose. Turning is not hard if you start with simple until you get the feel for your tools and what they will allow you to do.

Also, I can’t believe that you live in the east and can’t find wood. Hell, I live in the desert and more found wood right now than I’ll ever turn in my lifetime. I’ll make you a deal. Tell me what size lathe you have and whether you have a chuck, what make it is and your jaw size, and I’ll send you several roughed blanks hogged down to at least 3/4” think walls. All you do is pay for the large flat rate box I’ll send them in….....

Another thing, the grind you tried to post pictures of, besides the pictures looking pretty bad, the grind looks awful also. Got to this link, and if you don’t already have a sharpening jig, make one like the one in this link. http://aroundthewoods.com/sharpening01.html That’s what I did until I could afford a Wolverine system. ............ Jerry (in Tucson)

-- Jerry (in Tucson) www.woodturnerstools.com

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Karda

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#12 posted 06-01-2017 01:37 AM

quit is what I feel like but no I won’t quit, I watched some videos because they were turning a straight sided bowl. I looked at how the gouge engages the juncture of the bottom and the side, with my gouge I can’t even come close, I would have to turn from the opposite side of the lathe. I am half way to the bottom’ i didn’t have this much trouble on the first one and that was smaller. a kick in the head, we moved last fall and I never wanted a lathe but now in the new house I have room for a nice shop. when did the county and NYSEG cut down trees allover the county last summer when i didn’t have a use for it. I would appreciate the blanks let me know what the shipping. The reason I can’t get wood is because I can’t drive, however I did check out a saw mill that was hiding at a local equipment repair shop. He didn’t have Any cut offs but he did have some walnut limb. i got a couple short pieces but they are small and with the pith and sides cut out they won’t yield much. I know my grind is bad, picture point up many flaws. I changes the grind to 65 degrees and cleaned it up a bit.I’ll try pics again

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Nubsnstubs

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#13 posted 06-01-2017 04:21 AM

Karda, what is the swing on your lathe. That’s important. A large flat rate box is between 17 and 18 bucks. I will let you know the exact when the box is ready to send. Should be Wednesday at the latest. ............. Jerry (in Tucson)

-- Jerry (in Tucson) www.woodturnerstools.com

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Karda

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#14 posted 06-01-2017 05:19 AM

ok thanks

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Jim Jakosh

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#15 posted 06-01-2017 11:53 AM

Use a push cut,( using the tip) with the face slightly open so the bevel is riding on the material and feed inward. It is harder to describe than taking your hand and positioning it until you feel the action but you have to practice at it. You have to have the gouge way off to the right so the cutting tip is the farthest point out otherwise you will just be touching on the side and it sounds like that might be the case. If you look at the fingernail grind on a bowl gouge, there is and angle and you have to swing the gouge out to make the tip hit first.

Good luck!!

cheers, Jim

-- Jim Jakosh.....Practical Wood Products...........Learn something new every day!! Variety is the Spice of Life!!

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