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Woodaholic

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1348 days ago

I was going to buy a G0453PX 15” 3 HP 220V Planer, Polar Bear Series ( With spiral cutter head ) but then i happen to think why buy just the single planer when u can get a planer/jointer combo..

My question is why do they make these tools seperate in the first place. Why would you not buy a all in one that does both ..

Just needing some input really of what I sohuld do. I can square the planed boards up with my tablesaw.

Isnt that what everyone else does? Thanks

James


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Camper

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#1 posted 1348 days ago

I have no first hand experience with the planer/jointer combo machines but reviews are abound some seem good some not so good. If space is an issue its probably a good idea, if not separate is probably more reliable…

If you want to use rough lumber, IMHO, you will need both jointer and a planer. Yes, you can rig up a router or a planer sledge to joint one face of a board but both methods seems to be sort of cumbersome.

I am not sure how you can “square the planed boards with a tablesaw” as you would first need to joint a face before planing to take out cup and twist.

-- Tampa-FL

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Tadd

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#2 posted 1348 days ago

Woodaholic,

I have been wondering the same thing. From my experience, you joint a face then an edge. With that procedure, you get one face and one edge sqaure to each other. Then, you flip over to the planer to make the other face parallel. Then, Over to the table saw to rip the other edge and get your final width. If this is how you work, you only make one change on the combo machine. Thus, it make sense to get one.

Further, the combo machine is going to give you larger widths to joint (12” on the Grizz). With an 8” jointer, I have run into the problem of not being able to joint the entire face and needing to mess with the procedure.

-- Tadd, Denver, http://patentcraftsman.com/

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dbhost

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#3 posted 1348 days ago

The advantages of a combo machine are…

#1. Smaller shop footprint. #2. Typically much lower cost than an equivalent capacity planer and jointer purchased separately (Have you seen the cost of 12” jointers?!) #3. Only one electrical connection to make.

The disadvantages are… #1. Jointers typically have MUCH shorter beds than stand alone machines. #2. Changeover from one mode to another, and loss of setup as mentioned above.

Generally speaking, I would tend to think that the beds on the jointer section are more than sufficient, and the additional width of the jointer (12” versus typical 8) more than make up for the setup issues… But you may disagree, it would seem to be a preference thing…

FWIW, If I had the $$ to buy one, I would happily sell off my bench top planer and jointer, and buy the Grizzly 12” combo machine…

I would avoid the Jet 8 and 10” machines, I have seen some insanely poor reviews on them, things such as very non flat beds, and fences, pretty much useless as a jointer, and too narrow as a planer to be any good…

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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TheDane

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#4 posted 1348 days ago

I think it depends on which combo machine you are looking , which has a direct relationship to your budget. Reviews are pretty good on machines like the Felder CF731 (about $13k), but pretty weak on the lower cost machines like the Jet 10” (sells for about $450).

For the combo machines I could afford dollar-wise, I haven’t heard much good about them. If you search through the LJ forums and reviews, you’ll find a number of people who bought them and have had pretty negative comments.

I decided to stick with my 6” Grizzly jointer and 12” DeWalt planer. If I need to joint stock wider than 6”, I have access to 12” and 16” Northfield jointers at the local tech school (one advantage of being a ‘life long learning student!).

-- Gerry -- "I don't plan to ever really grow up ... I'm just going to learn how to act in public!"

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duosonicdave

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#5 posted 1348 days ago

FWIW, I have the Makita 2030N combo with a long-bed 6” jointer and a 12.5” planer. With a 1-car garage shop space is a premium for me. It’s built like a tank – unlike a lot of the cheaper/newer stuff. Having only recently acquired it, I’m still learning how to use it and get it dialed in, but so far the results have been good. I find with the longer bed I can avoid most snipe when jointing if I start out applying most of the pressure on the in-feed end of the wood and then switch over to the out-feed side as it’s nearing the end. The motor is pretty loud, but I usually have my ear protection on anyway so it doesn’t bother me too much. Parts are still available and you can find manuals, diagrams. etc. on the Makita website. Anyway, that’s just my .02.

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SnowyRiver

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#6 posted 1348 days ago

I agree with TheDane. I think you are looking at big bucks for a good combo system. Another thought that I always think about with combo equipment is that if something happens to one part of it, then you loose the entire machine until it’s fixed. I am always the guy that likes individual components to my home theater too. If the DVD player stops working, I dont want to loose the rest of the system (amp, tuner, CD player, etc) while I am waiting for the DVD player to get fixed.

-- Wayne - Plymouth MN

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ChrisForthofer

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#7 posted 1348 days ago

As mentioned above, compromise is the big issue. I am from the school of thought that buy one piece of equipment that does the job it was designed to do very well, versus a piece of equipment that does a few things not so well to average. I see the biggest downfall to a combo is you can only plane as wide as your jointer. While 12” jointing capacity is great, 12” of planing capacity isnt so hot. You can flatten a board on a planer in a pinch and having access to a planer larger than your jointer makes sense for this once in a while need. You’ll probably be into the individual machines for more than a combo would have run you but you will have more capacity on one or both machines than you would have with the combo. Now if you never work with wide stock what I said above can be thrown out the window. Alternatively you could save even more money by picking up some handplanes and going old school too ;)

-- -Director of slipshod craftsmanship and attention deficit woodworking

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