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woodflower

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11-11-2010 03:14 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question router guides

2 gone 2 left. Laminated birdseye maple carving boards. I figured out how to use a template, but on the final edge groove, I forgot to do it in 1/8th inch passes, and then totally messed it up with the corners. I used the craftsman edge guide for irregular surfaces, but it didn’t stay centered on the corners. I’ve used that before with an irregular edge and it was fine, don’t know why it doesn’t work on this. I suppose I have to make a corner templatel. Help.

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#1 posted 11-11-2010 03:21 PM

Sorry, but I can’t figure out what you’re trying to do.

-- Joe

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#2 posted 11-11-2010 03:35 PM

Maybe you could save these by making it a circle or cresent shaped corner?

-- Terri, Rocky Mountain High Colorado!

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#3 posted 11-11-2010 07:20 PM

I agree with Terri, can you save it by making the corner in to something “artistic”. Maybe make sometype of template so you can do it on multiple corners. If anyone asks say it was done for artistic effect and you totally ment to do that!

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#4 posted 11-11-2010 07:24 PM

Boy, do I know how THAT feels :-(

-- -- Neil

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#5 posted 11-11-2010 07:45 PM

Neil – you mean you know what it feels like to be an irregular shape?!?

Woodflower – been there done that. what I use now is a router table for the outer juice groove. I set 2 stops which make sure everything is aligned and ends where it’s supposed to end and the round shape of the cutter is what’s giving the rounded edge of the groove at the corners (although it is squarish and does not conform to a rounded edge of a cutting board).

you can also use a regular edge guide with a long aux fence mounted to it so that it’ll stay true to the edges even if only half the router is on the board (as the aux fence being long will give it enough support).

As for staying true to irregular shapes -the best way IS to use a template that can be reused throughout the project to keep same proportions and sizing.

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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woodflower

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#6 posted 11-11-2010 08:04 PM

I’m using a bowl cutter on the router so the grooves are rounded at the edges nicely. The long straight edges are ok, it’s only the corners, and to be honest, this is the best corner…this piece can’t be saved, only planed down and used as a cutting board on the other side. But, for the other two, which I haven’t started, that’s what I need a new plan for. I suppose you’re right PurpLev, I could just square off the corner instead of trying to round it off on the groove.

The guide wasn’t squared up to the handles but was maybe 15-25 degrees to the side and I held it with the guide handle and one router handle…maybe that was also the problem. I used this guide many years ago on my headboard groove 2” in from the sloping side (see pic) and didn’t have any problem. Maybe I was just lucky and stronger then- it was about 10 years ago.

I also think maybe the corners are too rough sanded and if I sand them smooth, the guide will follow smoother.

If I make a template for corners, I’m worried they won’t match up to the straight side.

I don’t understand the stops you’re talking about. I’ve got a little Craftsman router table but I’ve never used it in the 20 years I’ve had it.

Thanks for all youse guys’ help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nan

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PurpLev

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#7 posted 11-11-2010 08:13 PM

you can see how I have the 2 (red) stops on the fence here:

as I am guiding the board along the fence, the stops will prevent it from going too far in either direction, then I flip the board and route the opposing groove, and the 2 stops ensure that both grooves are same length, and positioned in the same distance from both edges. (I then reposition the stops to to the other 2 grooves on the shorter edges, and I’m all done)

-- ㊍ When in doubt - There is no doubt - Go the safer route.

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#8 posted 11-11-2010 08:29 PM

Sharon: was there another possible interpretation ? ;-)

-- -- Neil

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#9 posted 11-11-2010 08:38 PM

You could make a template or two from 1/4 MDF to utilize a rub collar. One for the edge groove and one for the interior grooves.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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woodflower

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#10 posted 11-11-2010 10:29 PM

So when you’re doing the stop thingy, you can’t see the cut as you are cutting?
ok, so how can I adapt the stop idea to hand routing with the edge guide? Or maybe make the template that way.

Gene, what’s a rub collar? And by the way, the template has to be 3/4 ” to account for the bushings. Already made that mistake.
nan

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rance

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#11 posted 11-11-2010 10:46 PM

WF,

1) Practice on some old pine (or even styrofoam) until you get your technique down.
2) Rub collar = Bushing.

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Gene Howe

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#12 posted 11-12-2010 01:30 AM

Woodflower,
If you have a set of collars/bushings, use the smallest one in which your bit will fit.
Cut your templates to fit the collar.
I have several sets of brass collars and I cut one set down so I could use 1/4 MDF.

-- Gene 'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

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woodflower

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#13 posted 11-12-2010 04:11 AM

Yup, that’s what I did except I didn’t cut it down. Sears. The bowl bit is 3/8’s wide. Interestingly, i had to get a face plate from another Sears router to fit the bushings into. The one they claimed was for them, the opening didn’t fit at all. I had to try them on at the store to figure it out. The Lowe’s or Home Depot bushings were plastic and not stable at all. Returned those.
nan

-- Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have; be careful lest you let other people spend it for you. - Carl Sandburg

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