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JustZen

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04-25-2017 07:25 PM

Topic tags/keywords: bandsaw budget compare

Hello community. This is my first post.

I’m on a limited budget in starting a new wood worksop. I have a collection of HBF power tools, a borrowed table saw, and am putting together a good set of budget hand tools. One of my first “real” tool purchases that I do not want to skimp on is my new band saw. I know that I’m comparing a honda to a BMW here but the specs and price point of the Grizzly 17” are difficult to ignore when compared to the nicer 14”s.
Some of the projects I’d like to do with my kids require some bandsaw work:
Cedar strip canoe – https://youtu.be/3I7OAPARgJ8?list=PLBBE9747B8D85087E!https://s3.amazonaws.com/vs-lumberjocks.com/ooz9asj.jpg!

Rocking chair / chair – https://youtu.be/Q3N9zNzDFLo
Long board – https://youtu.be/rZychR_bfoM
I also need some resaw capability.

If you could start where I am and had these 3 saws to choose from which would you go with and why?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00COFAZQ8/
Grizzly G0513ANV 2 HP Bandsaw Anniversary Edition, 17-Inch
Sale: $875.00 + $109 shipping

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00J3PKHX8/
Laguna Tools MBAND1412-175 14×12 Bandsaw, Black/Grey
Price: $1,172.00 FREE Scheduled Delivery

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00020BNOA/
Powermatic 1791216K Model PWBS-14CS
Price: $1,199.99 FREE Shipping for Prime members once available

If I broke some forum rules or social norms on this 1st post, I apologize.
Paul

-- Paul -- Fredericksburg, VA


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Desert_Woodworker

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#1 posted 04-25-2017 07:33 PM

I have the Power Matic, it is a good saw. For the last 4 years I like and use Laguna products. If I were to purchase today I would go with the Luguna. I like the features better on Laguna vs the power Matic.

-- Desert_Woodworker

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JustZen

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#2 posted 04-26-2017 03:19 PM



I have the Power Matic, it is a good saw. For the last 4 years I like and use Laguna products. If I were to purchase today I would go with the Luguna. I like the features better on Laguna vs the power Matic.

- Desert_Woodworker

Thanks Desert,
I’ve been leaning towards Lunga on this one. I was just concerned that I would be paying more for a 14” than the 17” Grizzly. So you feel that the brand is worth the cost in this case?

Paul

-- Paul -- Fredericksburg, VA

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bonesbr549

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#3 posted 04-26-2017 03:30 PM

Well, I have the original 513 before they came out with the x2 or what ever. Basically same saw. Its 12 years old still works like a charm. Steel frame is robust enough and will handle all needs. Now saying that, I’ve dedicated it for resaw and have the laguna carbide blade on it. Nice blade.

I have a 1934 delta for small curve work.

The features of the laguna big saws are really nice with the ceramic blocks and make blade changes a dream. That was the only downside to the griz or all non laguna is the setup time (I’m a lazy son of a gun).

If it were me and laguna is what you want, I’d go with the bigger LT models but you will pay the $$$$ for that.

I love me some powermatic and have a few of those too. Fit and finish are the tops.

In the end I’d say get the griz set it up for resaw and find an old delta 14” and set it up for small stuff. They are regularly on CL for a decent amount.

Thats my 2 cents worth but that and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee. Cheers

-- Sooner or later Liberals run out of other people's money.

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Desert_Woodworker

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#4 posted 04-26-2017 03:41 PM

Paul- I am not familar with Grizzly products. I am sure that people will post band saw advice to you.
Best in your quest….

-- Desert_Woodworker

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DrDirt

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#5 posted 04-26-2017 04:24 PM

I have a Delta X5 14 inch with the riser block to get the resaw capacity

I hear a lot of good stuff about the Rikon.

Powermatic is a well built saw. But adding the riser kit will add another 120-150 to your cost.

Regardless – a tall fence is great. I had to make mine, but the Grizzly Fence is nice and can be used tall, or folded flat, so you can rip things with the guides close to the work.

Bandsaws are a pretty simple machine, hard to go wrong with the guts of it.

-- “The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.” Mark Twain

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richimage

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#6 posted 04-26-2017 05:02 PM

I had a CL Delta 14” from the 50s that was very underpowered for anything but light work… went to the Grizzly Tent sale last year and chanced onto a G0513X2 from the “scratch and dent” area – it turned out there was lot of work that was needed, but I enjoyed the repair process, learned a lot about the saw, and this thing is a tank! (Just to show I’m not a Grizzly troll, I also bought and quickly resold the G0458 drum sander as it just didn’t work for me). The G0513X2 was more saw than I was shopping for, but I am so glad I bought it. The tall fence and a 3/4” Wood Mizer makes resawing a pleasure, and a 3/8” (can’t remember brand) does smaller turns with no drama. I have two 4” hoses connected, but there is still what I consider too much sawdust thrown around. In any case, I wholeheartedly recommend this saw.

-- "Women are like modern paintings. You can't enjoy them if you try to understand them." Farrokh Bulsara (Freddie Mercury)

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joandust

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#7 posted 05-01-2017 09:57 PM

Powermatic is one of my favorite brands of all time. Absolutely top-notch machines and unbeatable quality/performance although the price does reflect that. For the price points you described, I’d definitely go for the Powermatic since the price hike is minimal.

-- Joan

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#8 posted 05-01-2017 10:08 PM

I too have the powermatic and love it when I bought mine the riser kit came with it? I have had it just about a year now, a quality saw
Dee1

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jimintx

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#9 posted 05-01-2017 11:42 PM

For that price range, I bought the Rikon 14-326. That is what I would buy again.

I would not recommend buying a saw that needed a riser kit to obtain good resew capacity, unless its only use is to cut out curved patterns from somewhat thinner material.

There are many many opinions about band saws, on LJ and all over the web. If you have not used the search function on this site to read the more recent threads on band saw selection, you should.

For sure you will have some people that mostly ignore that you want a new saw and tell you to search for an old one, usually on craigslist. I will not tell you that as I didn’t want to do it that way, and I don’t really think it is a particularly good way in my area. I and fully understand all the problems with that approach, not the least of which can become “fixing up” the old machine.

You will also get a lot of advice on current saws based on experience with the older models from the same brands. I do not really think that is highly relevant if the comparison is based on a saw that is more than 5 or maybe 10 years old – but it is interesting reading.

Welcome to LJ. Tell us where you are, many just show it in the signature line, so we can always make the most relevant comments.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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eflanders

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#10 posted 05-02-2017 12:10 AM

When you say resaw capacity, just how much capacity? That answer will define what size saw you need. As for a new saw, try to buy something that you can see in person first. The fences are different on each of the three machines you listed. Then based on your resaw needs, you can see physically which saw will work best for you. Look for good blades guides. Personally I prefer roller guides which the Laguna doesn’t have. I also prefer a lot of light. Yes it can be added but if it comes with a decent one to begin with, it saves cost. Having lots of horsepower really helps with resin especially when cutting exotic hardwoods. The thicker the wood, the more ponies are needed to cut. So the resaw question really needs to be answered. Lastly, get good blades, they make a huge difference on any saw.

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Desert_Woodworker

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#11 posted 05-02-2017 04:16 AM

Buying a band saw-This is what sold me in 2011- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r5NUVBjL4o&ab_channel=woodcraftmarketing
Today this is what I would purchase- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r5NUVBjL4o&ab_channel=woodcraftmarketing
For me the best advantage is being able to change the blade, without removing the heavy cast iron table.
Both are good saws but Laguna wins hands down. In my opinion.
Laguna uses ceramic vs Power- Matic uses Carter bearings- here is what Matthias Wandel has to say about band saw guides-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQZY0bFDiw8&ab_channel=MatthiasWandel
Best to those making a purchase-

-- Desert_Woodworker

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jimintx

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#12 posted 05-02-2017 01:49 PM

In my post above, #9 in the thread, I miss-typed the saw model number of my Rikon. I selected the Rikon 10-326, which is a 14” steel frame saw.

There are as many users that prefer the roller bearing guide designs as there are that like ceramic guides. There is simply not a clear winner in this contest in today’s marketplace. While I determined that bearing design difference was not a top criteria for my choice of machine, I do really like the easy adjustment that is incorporated into the latest style of Rikon roller guides. I have enjoyed using them and would choose them, and this whole saw, again.

I defintely agree that Matthias Wandel is an interesting guy on the internet. In the video linked by Desert Woodworker, you can learn about some blade guide factors. But note that Matthias built his own wood-framed bandsaw, and does not use any of these models we are discussing, and you will see that every guide he tested in that video is a roller guide system.

As far as I determined, none of the Rikon and Laguna saws are built so that you need to remove the table to change the blade. Having to do that would be a big-time major drawback for me. I didn’t see that on the Jet saws either, which was the third brand I had in the running.

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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Desert_Woodworker

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#13 posted 05-02-2017 04:49 PM

Let me add the Rikon delux as a contender https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Rikon+10-326&view=detail&mid=D1B2CECA32451E7D2367D1B2CECA32451E7D2367&FORM=VIRE
I especially like the blade guide adjustments

-- Desert_Woodworker

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builtinbkyn

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#14 posted 05-02-2017 05:54 PM


Let me add the Rikon delux as a contender https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Rikon+10-326&view=detail&mid=D1B2CECA32451E7D2367D1B2CECA32451E7D2367&FORM=VIRE
I especially like the blade guide adjustments

- Desert_Woodworker

This is the one I’m considering as a future upgrade to my Grizzly GO555. The Grizzly will remain a small blade machine while the Rikon would do the bully work.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#15 posted 05-02-2017 10:16 PM



Let me add the Rikon delux as a contender https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Rikon+10-326&view=detail&mid=D1B2CECA32451E7D2367D1B2CECA32451E7D2367&FORM=VIRE
I especially like the blade guide adjustments

- Desert_Woodworker

This is the one I m considering as a future upgrade to my Grizzly GO555. The Grizzly will remain a small blade machine while the Rikon would do the bully work.

- builtinbkyn

Thats what I did when I got the 10-326. Although, my ancient one – that I bought when not far out of college – is a sears 12”, with a tiny hP motor. I’d like to be able to upgrade the small one someday. It still works though, and cuts nice curves with a small, good blade. I don’t like the the sound of it though, compared to the mighty hum and buzz of the Rikon.
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-- Jim, Houston, TX

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