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Forum topic by BillyDoubleU posted 04-22-2017 02:47 PM 1623 views 0 times favorited 34 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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BillyDoubleU

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04-22-2017 02:47 PM

I’m in the process of building my shop and I have the majority of the “main” pieces at this point.

- Table saw (DeWalt DWE7491RS) which will lose its base and get put in a table this week hopefully
- Miter Saw (DeWalt 12” SCMS DWS780)
- Planer (DeWalt DW735X)
- Bandsaw (Grizzly GO555LX 14”)
- Drill Press (Grizzly G7943 14”)
- Sander (Porter Cable Disc/Belt PCB420SA)
- Router (Bosch MRC23EVSK)

Items I am still working on:

- Jointer
6” or 8”? I could afford both in the near future and would think the 8” would be best but the foot print looks huge with many having 72” tables! Between the 2 which is more useful for a garage shop with high aspirations? I am a go as big as possible kind of guy and I hate buying twice.

- Drum Sander
I want to bust out some chess boards and cutting boards. Aren’t those the most popular beginner wood projects ;p
10” open end or the Grizzly 18” open end? It’s a big purchase with shipping but how crucial is it? Can I get by with a good belt sander?

- Lathe
I want one, but this is one of the last things on my list of shop items. I used to love turning bowls in shop.

- Dust Collector
I know I need one but it is further down the list right now. I work in an open garage.

Is there anything I am forgetting?

So I guess my main question is: Which first, Jointer or Drum sander? Is one more essential over the other? If so, which size for a garage shop? Where do any of these fall in your shops priority of use?

-- "But I’ve bought a big bat. I’m all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!” ~ Dr. Seuss


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TravisH

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#1 posted 04-22-2017 03:19 PM

I would take a jointer before a drum sander. Good square stock simply saves you time and money on about every project. A sander on selected projects. I rarely see a drum sander as essential unless you are specializing in a few items.

Always methods around not having something that are more than adequate for low numbers of items. My first cutting boards used a belt sander and turned out very well. I switched over to a router sled and a final shallow pass leaves me with sanding that is easily done with an orbital sander in short order. If I was making a lot of them of course I would get a drum sander sooner.

I plan on adding a drum sander soon however.

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builtinbkyn

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#2 posted 04-22-2017 03:26 PM

The most important is the one I need at the moment ;) Now if you mean “indispensable” then I’d have to say the table saw. It’s more versatile than any of the other tools you have listed. It also makes a great bench :)

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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BillyDoubleU

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#3 posted 04-22-2017 03:30 PM

Then I need to ask, which size? 6” or 8”?

Any real disadvantage to the 6”? Or is it always better to go bigger?


I would take a jointer before a drum sander. Good square stock simply saves you time and money on about every project. A sander on selected projects. I rarely see a drum sander as essential unless you are specializing in a few items.

Always methods around not having something that are more than adequate for low numbers of items. My first cutting boards used a belt sander and turned out very well. I switched over to a router sled and a final shallow pass leaves me with sanding that is easily done with an orbital sander in short order. If I was making a lot of them of course I would get a drum sander sooner.

I plan on adding a drum sander soon however.

- TravisH


-- "But I’ve bought a big bat. I’m all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!” ~ Dr. Seuss

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MrUnix

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#4 posted 04-22-2017 03:31 PM

So I guess my main question is: Which first, Jointer or Drum sander? Is one more essential over the other? If so, which size for a garage shop? Where do any of these fall in your shops priority of use?
- BillyDoubleU

That was an awfully long winded post just to ask a simple question :)

If you are wanting to do cutting boards, both would be useful… but neither are essential as there are other ways to accomplish the same task. If I had to choose (and didn’t already have one), a jointer would be more useful than a drum sander IMO.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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BillyDoubleU

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#5 posted 04-22-2017 03:32 PM



The most important is the one I need at the moment ;) Now if you mean ”indispensable” then I d have to say the table saw. It s more versatile than any of the other tools you have listed. It also makes a great bench :)

- builtinbkyn

Ha, you’re right.

Since I already have a table saw and it is of course the priority tool of the shop.

Where does the jointer or drum sander fall into the equation?

And what size?

-- "But I’ve bought a big bat. I’m all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!” ~ Dr. Seuss

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BillyDoubleU

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#6 posted 04-22-2017 03:37 PM

lol you are right. I realized that after typing it all up and then I figured I already typed it!

So I am very much seeing what I was already figuring, a Jointer before a drum sander.

Then I am just torn as to size. I think an 8” would be “best” but the foot print is rather large. I have a 2 car garage that all the tools and benches must fit on one side for storage so the other car can fit. I can pull the car out when working to have more floor space. But most items will be on mobile tables/bases to accommodate the need to move stuff around.


So I guess my main question is: Which first, Jointer or Drum sander? Is one more essential over the other? If so, which size for a garage shop? Where do any of these fall in your shops priority of use?
- BillyDoubleU

That was an awfully long winded post just to ask a simple question :)

If you are wanting to do cutting boards, both would be useful… but neither are essential as there are other ways to accomplish the same task. If I had to choose (and didn t already have one), a jointer would be more useful than a drum sander IMO.

Cheers,
Brad

- MrUnix


-- "But I’ve bought a big bat. I’m all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!” ~ Dr. Seuss

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BillyDoubleU

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#7 posted 04-22-2017 03:38 PM



I switched over to a router sled and a final shallow pass leaves me with sanding that is easily done with an orbital sander in short order.

- TravisH

???

What is this you speak of?

-- "But I’ve bought a big bat. I’m all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!” ~ Dr. Seuss

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MrUnix

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#8 posted 04-22-2017 03:47 PM

Then I am just torn as to size. I think an 8” would be “best” but the foot print is rather large. I have a 2 car garage that all the tools and benches must fit on one side for storage so the other car can fit. I can pull the car out when working to have more floor space. But most items will be on mobile tables/bases to accommodate the need to move stuff around.
- BillyDoubleU

Couple of things to consider besides footprint. If you are wanting to do chess and cutting boards, you will probably never be using stock wider than 6”, so 8” would be overkill. Additionally, 6” jointers can usually be found pretty cheap, while 8” ones are typically much more expensive, and a 6” jointer can usually be run on a standard 120v wall outlet, while most 8” and larger ones will require 240v.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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builtinbkyn

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#9 posted 04-22-2017 03:55 PM


The most important is the one I need at the moment ;) Now if you mean ”indispensable” then I d have to say the table saw. It s more versatile than any of the other tools you have listed. It also makes a great bench :)

- builtinbkyn

Ha, you re right.

Since I already have a table saw and it is of course the priority tool of the shop.

Where does the jointer or drum sander fall into the equation?

And what size?

- BillyDoubleU

I have both a jointer and planer. I’m actually considering getting rid of both and purchasing a drum sander. I know others have a different opinion, but I can joint and plane by hand, but it would be difficult for me to duplicate the utility of a drum sander. If I had a production shop, that would be all together different. Jointer and planer would be indispensable. But I’m doing small projects so flattening and jointing a few boards isn’t really an issue – well as long as I do it well LOL

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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#10 posted 04-22-2017 04:06 PM

Dimensioning 100plus bft of wood with a hand planer? No way for me.
Jointer and plainer are a must. second to the table saw.

-- Illigitimii non carburundum sum

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builtinbkyn

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#11 posted 04-22-2017 04:13 PM


Dimensioning 100plus bft of wood with a hand planer? No way for me.
Jointer and plainer are a must. second to the table saw.

- pontic

I fully understand that LOL However I don’t see many projects in my future that would require that much lumber. 10 – 20bf I think I can handle. I’m actually thinking about going to a combo machine. I’d like a helical head cutter for both jointing and planing and don’t see the practicality of replacing both cutters on the machines I have – an older Jet 15” planer and a 6” Ridgid jointer. Eliminating one machine frees up space for for the drum sander. I figure I could get along without either the planer or jointer for a good while. Actually I think the jointer is more functional for dimensioning stock to thickness, though the drum sander could probably handle that task. It’s why I’m considering a combo down the road.

-- Bill, Yo!......in Brooklyn & Steel City :)

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jimintx

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#12 posted 04-22-2017 04:19 PM

Pick out a nice 6” jointer that fits your price range.

The 6” will do a ton of work. plus there are good ways to work around using a 6” machine for wider boards if the need arises. Some involve a planer, and you already have a good one of those. Such methods are discussed on LJ and there are a number of videos on the web.

This will leave you some much needed space, and there is no easy way to work around needing more space. Once you get the 6” jointer in your shop, you will have a first-hand realization of just how much space is taken up by its ~45”-48” wing span. (A lot!)

After you use the jointer a while, when you are ready, consider whether or not the drum sander can be afforded, and where it will be placed.

Whenever space matters, as it does to most of us, spend the money to get mobile bases on as many machines as you can as fast as you can. You will be forever happy to have done that, and to my experience and knowledge, a mobile base will not wear out or ever require further costs.
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-- Jim, Houston, TX

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BillyDoubleU

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#13 posted 04-22-2017 05:02 PM

So a 6” is plenty functional for most uses? I’m not even sure of all the things I want to do. But I want to be able to to most everything within reason.

I am often cursed with my eyes being bigger than my stomach :)


Pick out a nice 6” jointer that fits your price range.

The 6” will do a ton of work. plus there are good ways to work around using a 6” machine for wider boards if the need arises. Some involve a planer, and you already have a good one of those. Such methods are discussed on LJ and there are a number of videos on the web.

This will leave you some much needed space, and there is no easy way to work around needing more space. Once you get the 6” jointer in your shop, you will have a first-hand realization of just how much space is taken up by its ~45”-48” wing span. (A lot!)

After you use the jointer a while, when you are ready, consider whether or not the drum sander can be afforded, and where it will be placed.

Whenever space matters, as it does to most of us, spend the money to get mobile bases on as many machines as you can as fast as you can. You will be forever happy to have done that, and to my experience and knowledge, a mobile base will not wear out or ever require further costs.
-

- jimintx


-- "But I’ve bought a big bat. I’m all ready you see. Now my troubles are going to have troubles with me!” ~ Dr. Seuss

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#14 posted 04-22-2017 05:34 PM

Jointer, bigger the better

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#15 posted 04-22-2017 06:33 PM

8” jointer if you have room and $ doesn’t matter. I get along fine w/o a power one, use the manual kind. Planning any wide tables? How do plan to flatten? Hand planes are the best option.

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