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Forum topic by Chad_B posted 04-22-2017 01:59 PM 455 views 0 times favorited 14 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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Chad_B

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04-22-2017 01:59 PM

Table saws in my neck of the woods, there is a very limited selection and they are typically overpriced. There are two saws I’m eyeballing, one of them is listed and the other is not. I have not seen either saw in person.

The first is a rigid contractors saw Model TS3650
it’s listed on FB for sale, the people are moving and can’t take it with them. Looks in good shape minimal surface rust, other than that nothing obvious off the photos. List price $325

Second saw not listed
Powermatic Artisan Model 61a
This one is also in great shape, no rust and the owner is original owner, has all the paperwork, the saw has an Accu-Fence. Price is $500

I’m not sure if either of these are a great deal, I know the rigid sells for between 5-600 new at home depot (for the newer version) the powermatic is much more like $1700 new (for the newer version)

I currently use a Portercable portable saw and it does not do what I want it to do AT ALL… Anyone have any expertise on these 2 saws.. Either of them sound like a good deal, or should I hold out and try to find a cabinet saw, with a bigger motor.

Thank you in advance! Chad


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bigJohninvegas

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#1 posted 04-22-2017 04:45 PM

I use the newer rigid r4512. The saw works well, but I do not recommend primarily do to the poor fence design. I just recently found a used beisemeyer fence for $150 and am upgrading it now. Since I bought my saw new, I am now into it for a little over $800. I feel that is to much for this class of saw.
I do not know much about the older rigid saw, but $300 seems a little high.
I googled the powermatic, and found several reviews and forums. Just a quick read, maybe the older version is a right tilt and newer la left. Not sure if that is completely accurate.
The powermatic name alone for me is a plus. And it has the accu fence. Does it have a riving knife? You describe it as in great shape. I think that would be my choice.
Here is an old forum on the powermatic that I found. If you search here on lumberjocks you will find more info too.
http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?179948-Is-this-Powermatic-used-10-quot-Artisan-table-saw-a-good-buy

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#2 posted 04-22-2017 04:56 PM

Table saws in my neck of the woods, there is a very limited selection and they are typically overpriced.

I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard someone say that…

Gulf Breeze? I’m guessing the one near Pensacola? Actually, I’ve seen quite a few good deals up around you, but being down here in Central Florida, it would be a bit of a drive for me. Keep in mind that the good deals come and go fast, so who knows how many you might have missed without ever seeing them.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#3 posted 04-22-2017 05:41 PM

Not familiar with model 61 but Powermatic is a premium brand.

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Chad_B

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#4 posted 04-22-2017 06:28 PM

Correction its the powermatic model 64a

MrUnix, I am on CL and Facebook about 1000x a day, I’ve seen very few good table saws pop up on CL. The ones that are good are typically part of a cabinet shop they are selling the whole shop.

If you see something while your browsing feel free to PM me. I’m not doubting you, I have been looking for about 2-3 months and have seen 1 delta unisaw, I just didn’t have the funds as I had just bought a shop out from an elderly lady in my parent’s neighborhood. She had given the tablesaw to her brother, it was a unisaw!

Thank you for the help thus far.

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Chad_B

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#5 posted 04-22-2017 06:29 PM

Oh and yes gulf breeze is just outside of pensacola, Im about 4 mins from Pensacola Beach.

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Chad_B

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#6 posted 04-22-2017 06:32 PM

Both saws are left tilt, the PM version that’s out now is the 64b so this saw is not that old. it was also purchased locally. The guy has all the paperwork and manuals that came with it too.

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MrUnix

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#7 posted 04-22-2017 06:50 PM

I have been looking for about 2-3 months and have seen 1 delta unisaw,
- Chad_B

Well, there is your problem… you haven’t been looking long enough :)

I’ve been watching CL for at least the last 5 years or more, mostly from the state line down to about Tampa/Orlando. I’ve never felt the need to check repeatedly every day… Usually I just give a quick scan once a day while having my morning coffee, or perhaps just before I’m ready to hit the bed at night while I’m also checking my e-mail. Setting up alerts for specific items also helps.

Cheers,
Brad

PS: The artisan saws were made for quite a long time.. since before 2000, so if you want to properly date the machine, ask the seller for the serial number. Powermatic was sold to Jet in 1999.

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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Chad_B

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#8 posted 04-22-2017 07:07 PM

LOL, well than, 5 years… I have an older Grizzly 10” cabinet saw for free. It’s in “good shape” but it is located in Illinois. I don’t want to drive there to get it, nor would it be feasible. Gas would cost as much as a new saw.

So the search continues. Thank you for the feedback! I plan on going to look at the PM so we shall see!

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Chad_B

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#9 posted 04-22-2017 07:09 PM

oh about the serial number what tells you the date i have a picture of the serial number

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MrUnix

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#10 posted 04-22-2017 07:12 PM

Powermatic Serial Numbers

Artisan saws aren’t listed specifically, but you should see a pattern :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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toolie

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#11 posted 04-22-2017 09:15 PM

You will love the ridgid. This fence system is as reliable and repeatable as a delta T2. Ad it offers 36 inches of rip capacity.

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#12 posted 04-22-2017 10:24 PM

The PM64a and the current PM64b are very different saws under the hood, so don’t let one influence purchasing the other….name plate, fence, and color are about all they share in common. The PM64B has a riving knife, cabinet mounted trunnions, internally mounted hybrid style motor, and is a much beefier design under the hood.

The PM64a was just a good Taiwanese contractor saw that was like several other top contractor saws of the day (GI, Jet, Bridgewood, Grizzly…likely all from the same factory) ....they featured an outboard motor, table mounted trunnions, traditional splitter, connecting rods as an arbor carriage. The PM64a hasn’t been made in several years, though there may still be some NOS saws around. It was a good contractor saw, but other than the fence, nothing special due to the PM logo that merits a premium, and has very little in common with the US made PM66, and other premium PM machines that give PM their reputation. $500 is about the max range on a saw like that IMO, and I’d be inclined to push closer to $400 and see where it goes.

The Ridgid is also a solid contender in a traditional contractor saw, and is priced about right….can’t hurt to offer a tad less or see what they’d take.

Pick a color, a good blade, and get the alignment right…both will perform well.

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MrRon

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#13 posted 04-23-2017 01:55 AM

Just when you decide to buy the contractor saw, a good cabinet saw will pop up. Check CL, Mobile; that’s not too far from Pensacola. I’d wait.

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Chad_B

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#14 posted 04-23-2017 12:46 PM

I think I am going to wait for a bit, I just got a new jessem router table (traded for a RAS) so I can keep myself distracted for a little while..

My original plan was to get a cabinet saw, but these 2 saws just happened to fall in my lap.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions, I’ll update as soon as I get something.

Sidenote I called the local shop in town that sells woodworking gear, the person I spoke to wrote my name and # down and will call when they have a used TS come in. They sell SawStop and when people come in to buy a new TS they are typically trying to get rid of their old TS, she said it happens about 3x a month.

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