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chrisstef

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11-04-2010 01:10 AM

i bought all the supplies to make butterfly inlays and now i can’t seem to manage to put the parts and pieces together.

The brass insert needed to narrow the diameter in the opening of the bottom of the router bases so i can install the guide bushing fits perfectly in the hole but is not fastened mechanically and tends to pop out when trying to mate it to the centering pin.

I have a Freud FT3000 router. A Freud brass insert. WM bushing and bit set. All purchased at WC.

Am i missing something? Insert too big?

Here are the pics…. And thanks in advance LJ’s for solving my problem. I wouldn’t know where else i would turn for this answer but than to this forum. Been on here for almost a year now and its been great to be a part of!

Here is the base of the router (Freud FT3000):

Insert the Brass Insert in order to reduce the diameter: Seems to fit perfectly but not mechanically fastened .. Hmmm?

Install the bushing set:

Chuck the centering pin and plunge the router down to center the bushing:

Release the plunge lock: And she pops right off.

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk


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#1 posted 11-04-2010 01:40 AM

By the way heres a quick wood gloat … this is the table top i will be using butterfly keys to stabiize: A 48” x 21” 6/4 slab of reclaimed black oak:

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#2 posted 11-04-2010 02:14 AM

You need to put a couple of small pan head screws in those two holes on each side of the insert…the screw heads will hold it place.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#3 posted 11-04-2010 02:18 AM

i knew it was somethin easy … i kept looking at those screw hole like i needed them for something.

I assume that i should use brass screws?

Thanks knotscott!

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#4 posted 11-04-2010 10:14 PM

I’m not sure that they have to be brass….hope not, b/c I don’t think mine are! Beside having threads that match, the important thing is they have a head wide enough the retain the ring, but not tall enough to interfere.

With a couple of practice piece under your belt, I think you’ll find the butterflies to be fairly straight forward, and definitely fun to add to a piece.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#5 posted 11-04-2010 10:20 PM

A “truss head” screw has a fairly large head.

-- Gary; Marysville, MI...Involve your children in your projects as much as possible, the return is priceless.

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#6 posted 11-04-2010 10:42 PM

I went out to fastenal and picked up brass flat head screws which will hold the ring in place. I had to buy 100 of them so if youre interesting in some scott or anyone else out there with a Freud router let me know and ill send some out in the mail. I will never go through 100 of these llitle guys.

I guess while i have your attention here, im thinking of sanding the piece im working on (shown above) down with 80 grit, planing it flat, installing the butterflies, then sanding up to 180 prior to finishing. Would this be the best idea in your opinions?

Im looking forward to getting out of work here and practicing routing those butterflies!

Thanks for your help felllas

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#7 posted 11-06-2010 01:54 AM

Chris, the only thougt I have is (and I never done this before) would be to put the butterfly in before planing. Would it be better to stablize the splits first. Would planing over the splits cause more or more problems? Again never having done this before, can you squeeze the board together or are you planning on leaving the splits with the butterflys? I like the look of the split with the butterfly but not sure what the sequence of steps would be. Maybe someone else could help..me out.

Dan

-- Dan, Naperville IL, I.G.N.

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#8 posted 11-06-2010 02:32 AM

Dan,

I just got back up from the shop … with a few extra blisters none the less.

I ended up squirting some glue in the splits and clamping it up with the thought that it needed to be fairly stable to plane flat and then the keys will keep the cracks from spreading where i couldnt get any glue in. Then thought that i would be able to use 80 grit on my ROS to get the board close to flat.. no dice. So i broke out the jack plane and knocked off the high spots. Then used the #4 and smoothed it the best i could. My feeling is that this is reclaimed lumber and it doesnt really need to be dead nuts. A little time with the card scraper and im satisfied. It’ll be a piece with character.

With thanks to Knotscott, i got the screws needed to fasten the bushing and inlay and got some practice making butterlies. Tomorrow i hope to rout out the butterflies,make the keys, glue em in there, and plane or scrape the butterflies down. And maybe get to work on gluing up some stock for the legs.

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#9 posted 11-06-2010 02:44 AM

Hope it goes well.

I’m sitting on all the recently received pieces to do … just that … but haven’t had the guts, yet.

Post pics when you’re done, will ya ? Love to see how they turn out.

-- -- Neil

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#10 posted 11-06-2010 02:49 AM

I certainly will NBeener …. its not as haiiry as i thought it was going to be. My first thought was that if this little bit even nicks the side of that bushing im in trouble, 24,000 rpm schrapnel. Come to find out you have quite a bit of clearance .. must be a 1/4” all the way around between the bit and the bushing.

I routed one into some pine and my fears are gone. I just have to actually make the keys now.

Ill throw some pics up tomorrow

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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#11 posted 11-06-2010 02:52 AM

That was about the best news I’ve heard all week :-)

It looks like a real bear to master.

Thanks for the uplifting news !

-- -- Neil

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#12 posted 11-06-2010 03:12 PM

NBeener,

I just read your profile and discovered your problem with seeing things up close and i dont think that it will effect your ability to use the template. Once you tilt your router into the hole in the template you cant see the bit or the hole your working on, just follow the the template by feel moving the router back and forth. Best of luck friend.

-- rock, chalk, jayhawk

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