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Forum topic by CanalboatJim posted 11-02-2010 05:18 AM 1493 views 0 times favorited 20 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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CanalboatJim

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11-02-2010 05:18 AM

I was very disturbed to see an ad to raise funds for a political candidate on the LJ site this evening. This site has been one of the few places I have been able to escape the vitirolic mud slinging that is the theme of this current election. What disturbs me more is how the LJ staff is using my personel information to generate revenue. It is clear to me that my information was sold to a political group, because the candidate shown on my computer is running for governor of my state. With 20,000 members, odds are slim that this was purely a random accident.

I have been proud to be a member of the Lumberjock community. Now I am having missgivings about that. I’m interested inseeing if anyone else feels this way, or am I being a little too paranoid.

-- Jim Westbrooks


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NBeener

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#1 posted 11-02-2010 05:20 AM

Ouch.

Martin probably uses a third-party service that THEN pulls ads for your local sleaze-ball.

He MAY have the ability to opt OUT of certain ads that LJs find offensive.

In other words, it’s a virtual certainty that MARTIN didn’t pick this ad.

And … I agree with you: I’m sick of this election season, and all the trash it’s brought out :-/

-- -- Neil

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Alexander

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#2 posted 11-02-2010 05:21 AM

not on my e-mail

-- John at Sugarloft Mountain........Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

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brianP

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#3 posted 11-02-2010 05:30 AM

Jim,

Everybody’s got to pay the rent, I guess. It’d be great to have LJ as a refuge from all the mudslinging, but then why should it be any different? It is free, as is Yahoo email, and Gmail, and all those similar services that are free to use but subject you to targeted advertising. It is, I guess, the price you pay. Frankly, I feel so inundated with ads everywhere, I stop seeing them. Just ignore them, try not to let it bother you too much, and head back into the shop!

-- --Brian, Brooklyn, New York

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majeagle1

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#4 posted 11-02-2010 05:59 AM

Jim. I fell safe in saying that this is definitely NOT done intentionally by Martin or anyone else that may assist him. It is sad, but some of these “political sleezballs” do find there way into sites that they are not welcome.

Ignore them if you can…........

-- Gene, Majestic Eagle Woodworks, http://majesticeagleww.etsy.com/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/majesticeagle/

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Don

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#5 posted 11-02-2010 07:24 AM

LJs is a free site, they have to advertise. I don’t mind my information being used to generate adds I might be interested in. It’s much better than adds I am most likely not interested in. As long as the don’t use the truly personal information like email address, home address, etc. I’m okay with it. The fact that I live in Redmond Washington isn’t personal or private and if that info enables LJs to dispaly adds for me that are relavant to someone in my town instead of some random irrelevant add then I’m all for it.

-- Don - I wood work if I could. Redmond WA.

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Martin Sojka

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#6 posted 11-02-2010 10:36 AM

Hi Jim, that ad must have been served by Google AdSense. I just turned on some filters in their console so I hope it will help.

”It is clear to me that my information was sold to a political group”
No it wasn’t.

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helluvawreck

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#7 posted 11-02-2010 11:23 AM

If you want a perfect place it must be manufactured in your own mind; you will not find such a place on this earth. Wherever people are there will invariably be imperfections. Lumberjocks is a fine website to me.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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b2rtch

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#8 posted 11-02-2010 11:47 AM

I never see any ads.
As other people have said, Martin has to raise money one way or the other to keep this site free, the ads are the price we have to pay.
They do not bother me, I just ignore them.
If they become pornographic or violent then that would be another story.

-- Bert

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VinnieP

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#9 posted 11-02-2010 03:05 PM

I don’t find it hard to ignore the ads. I think they are placed well to not interfere with the content of the site. I’m guessing the ad has some kind of IP tracker to tell what state you are in. I highly doubt LJ sold your info.

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natrous

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#10 posted 11-02-2010 03:18 PM

Your IP address is often used as a pretty good estimate of your location, so the ad-serving company can use that and send you location-targeted ads without getting any additional info from the website (in this case, LJ)

For example, look at www.ip2location.com

It’s not perfect, but in many (most?) cases, any website you visit can guess where you are currently accessing the internet from. You can hide this by taking some steps, but most people don’t know or don’t care.

- nate

-- I do not like work even when someone else does it. - Mark Twain

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NathanAllen

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#11 posted 11-02-2010 05:45 PM

The scary thing being discussed this morning on my drive in was how the new funding options available to non-profit and political action groups may very well allow them to maintain a permanent presence in advertising.

The prediction basically says that “call your Congressperson” will be fairly common advocacy on TV and on-line.

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Chip

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#12 posted 11-02-2010 05:54 PM

There’s one at the bottom of my screen as I type. Ignore it, and like all nightmares, you’ll wake up (tomorrow) and it will be gone.

-- Better to say nothing and be thought the fool... then to speak and erase all doubt!

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Abbott

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#13 posted 11-02-2010 05:56 PM

Martin runs a pretty tight ship and those ads are not here very often and he quickly zaps them the few times that they do appear.

It’s nice that the election is today and the media (including the Internet) will shortly return to the normal hodge podge of mostly useless crap.

However I have been enjoying the ads at the top right with the pretty girls and I voted for the guy that was on the last ad I saw :)

-- Ohh mann...pancakes and boobies...I'll bet that's what Heaven is like! ♣ ♣ ♣ ♣

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dbhost

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#14 posted 11-02-2010 06:17 PM

Jim,

Martin uses, as do myriad other web sites, Google Ad Sense to raise revenue. Google Ad Sense detects your public I.P. address and determines locale from there, and then serves up ads depending on that, and other criteria linked to you through Google’s cookies.

While I agree, that politics really should be left out of here, as political discussions have a way of getting very personal, and very ugly, very fast, which would ruin LJs… But you need to understand that due to his need to raise revenue to keep this site up and going, Martin is selling access to our eyes to various and sundry sponsors. He does not always have control over what those sponsors post up, and Google isn’t exactly known for being all that selective when it comes to where their revenue stream comes from…

Best bet, ignore the stupid ads and move on.

-- My workshop blog can be found at http://daves-workshop.blogspot.com

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JJohnston

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#15 posted 11-02-2010 06:43 PM

Actually, in one instance (just one), one of those ads was useful. There was an issue that I only learned about on Sunday night TV with our candidates for governor. When I looked at LJs on Monday, the online version of that ad was over there——-> and I was able to follow it and find out BOTH candidate’s actual stances on the issue.

-- "A man may conduct himself well in both adversity and good fortune, but if you want to test his character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

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