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Forum topic by ChicksWithTools posted 04-11-2017 02:34 PM 1023 views 1 time favorited 22 replies Add to Favorites Watch
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ChicksWithTools

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04-11-2017 02:34 PM

Although I’m not at the point I need to add a router or router bits to the shop… I randomly ran across this deal.

https://www.groupon.com/deals/gg-stalwart-router-bit-set-24pc

Does anyone have experience with this brand. If it’s a great deal I may go ahead and order it. I have no experience with routers or router bits but….. I do have some drill bits that are junk so I though I would post this one up for “product review”

Thanks

-- Courageous convictions will drag the dream into existence. - Rush, Vital Signs


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johnstoneb

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#1 posted 04-11-2017 02:53 PM

At That price jump on them. You are getting 24 bits for the price of two. It gives you a good starter set of bits. Some you may never use or only use once or twice You won’t have to buy a high dollar one for that one use.. Those that you do use you can replace as you wear them out with a good quality bit.

-- Bruce, Boise, ID

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Rich

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#2 posted 04-11-2017 03:40 PM

It actually looks like a pretty useful collection of bits. While Bruce’s idea of replacing ones you wear out with good bits makes sense, my concern would be the quality of cuts you get from any of them right out of the box. My experience with cheap bits isn’t that they dull quickly, it’s that they aren’t sharp to begin with, so you get burning, etc. They are also all 1/4” shanks, which is pretty marginal for the larger bits.

Bottom line, it’s a crap shoot. You really have no way of knowing how well they will perform.

-- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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JayT

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#3 posted 04-11-2017 03:50 PM

My experience is similar to Rich Taylor’s, the quality of cut from cheap bits is poor and projects are not worth re-doing because a cheap bit messed something up. In addition, I one time had the carbide come off of an inexpensive bit because the braze wasn’t solid—30,000 rpm and flying carbide is not a situation you want to encounter. Once was enough for me to learn the lesson and invest in better quality bits. If it’s a one time use I might buy Vermont American instead of more expensive Freud, but I won’t use the super cheap bits like those any more.

When you are ready for a router, buy a decent one and then invest in good quality bits—they do more to determine the cut quality, after all. It will save you time and frustration in the end.

-- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Thomas Jefferson

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jimintx

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#4 posted 04-11-2017 03:52 PM

The offer does look interesting, and it provides a lot of bit choices.

Could the sharpness of the bits be touched up and improved, as needed?

AND: you can get this deal o this brand, this set, on Amazon – and there are reviews there to read. If you search with google on the exact phrase “stalwart router bits”, you get a lot of hits.

Here is the Amazon listing
https://www.amazon.com/Stalwart-Multi-purpose-24-piece-Router-Bit/dp/B000X47YDE

-- Jim, Houston, TX

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Madmark2

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#5 posted 04-11-2017 04:05 PM

Buy carbide. You’ll spend more on bits than the router. Buy profiles you need. Don’t buy big sets – you get what you pay for & cheap is cheap.

M

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BurlyBob

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#6 posted 04-11-2017 04:07 PM

What Mad Mark says. Also I’ve found Whiteside router bits to be the best out there.

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canadianchips

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#7 posted 04-11-2017 04:21 PM

In that set of 24 there are 6-7 profiles that I use a lot !
The other profiles I rarely use.
You can start with these…..find out the profile you use most and spend money on that ONE !
These will all cur softer wood, when working with harder woods they may dull or burn. GO SLOWER, let it cut.
When I started with routers 40 years ago it was tough to even find a carbide tip and you paid dearly for it.
Watch the pilot bearings on this set. The screw that holds them on has come loose on some of mine.
$32 for 6 bits that you WILL use is only $5 each .
FOR the record. I bought a set of 48….... 1/2” ARBOR bits. They sat in my shop for almost 2 years before I found router with 1/2” collet ! Deal is a DEAL !
I have expensive bits and I have cheap ones !
Enjoy your router !

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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ChicksWithTools

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#8 posted 04-11-2017 04:36 PM

Canadian Chips….... what are the 6-7 profiles that you use most?

I’m going to finish the projects that are current in production mode before I need to get one so I have time on that one.

-- Courageous convictions will drag the dream into existence. - Rush, Vital Signs

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oldnovice

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#9 posted 04-11-2017 11:09 PM

I also agree with Madmark2 as I have never had any luck with cheap bits.
I buy Whiteside, Amana, Onsrud, Freud, Niagara, and still buy some Eagle America bit.
I don’t have every profile offered in any “kit/set” because I will probably never use some of those profiles.
Typically (98% of the time) buy carbide cutters.

-- "I never met a board I didn't like!"

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Craftsman on the lake

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#10 posted 04-11-2017 11:28 PM

I only buy 1/2” shanks and quality brands. Lately I’ve tried a couple of Yonica bits (amazon) and find that they are really very good but at a very low cost compared to the other brands. I purchased one that I thought I’d only use once or twice and it would be good enough. Today after many more uses than I expected it is still going strong.

-- The smell of wood, coffee in the cup, the wife let's me do my thing, the lake is peaceful.

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knotscott

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#11 posted 04-11-2017 11:31 PM

I’m always a little wary of cheap bits. Woodworking isn’t a cheap hobby, and router bits are not a great place to save a few bucks. They can spin in excess of 20,000 rpms, and can actually shed carbide chunks at high speed….I’ve seen it with my own eyes, and we were lucky no one got pierced. Cheap bits are more likely to disintegrate than good ones, and there’s a lot at risk.

There are several well proven choices that don’t cost an arm and a leg, and since most of us only use a few basic profiles, I’d rather spend $100 for a few good bits than $25 for some that could give poor results, or hurt someone. You can always add some specialty profiles as needed. Is better long term performance and safety worth an extra $75 to you? Holbren has the Whiteside basic set for $104 shipped….some of the best bits I’ve used. Infinity has a similar set that’s excellent also.


-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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jerryminer

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#12 posted 04-11-2017 11:36 PM

Are you kidding?? Router bits for $1.50 each?

I would RUN AWAY from that offer. (Read the Amazon reviews about broken bits.) I tried cheap router bits a couple times when i was feeling cheap. They broke. I won’t do it again.

A heard a story once—from a source I trust—about a guy using a cheap router bit. The carbide tip broke off and flew into his leg, severing the femoral artery. Guy bled to death before the ambulance arrived.

I get my bits from Whiteside, CMT, Infinity, Amana, and Freud.

-- Jerry, making sawdust professionally since 1976

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pontic

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#13 posted 04-11-2017 11:39 PM

I use mostly cutters that go on spindle shaper. But when I do use router bits I use 1/2 shank if at all possible.

-- Illigitimii non carburundum sum

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canadianchips

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#14 posted 04-11-2017 11:43 PM

These are in my routers all the time.

-- "My mission in life - make everyone smile !"

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Rich

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#15 posted 04-12-2017 12:00 AM



I only buy 1/2” shanks and quality brands. Lately I ve tried a couple of Yonica bits (amazon) and find that they are really very good but at a very low cost compared to the other brands. I purchased one that I thought I d only use once or twice and it would be good enough. Today after many more uses than I expected it is still going strong.

- Craftsman on the lake

I agree on the Yonica bits. Very decent for the price.

-- No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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