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hairy

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10-29-2010 02:59 PM

I need a way to hold work pieces to my bench top.

It has a face vise, but no end vise.

I’ve been considering this Veritas surface vise, or this Veritas wonder dog.

I think I’ll have to lose at least 1 drawer to install an end vise. Any ideas? Thanks!

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hObOmOnk

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#1 posted 10-29-2010 03:27 PM

I got the blues,
I got the workbench blues.

I got the blues,
I got the workbench blues.

My bench top ain’t level,
And my end-vise done lost its screws.

(Insert harmonica solo here)

-- 温故知新

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richgreer

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#2 posted 10-29-2010 03:32 PM

For the purpose of holding things down, you cannot beat the Kreg Bench Klamp – - –
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=21459&filter=bench%20clamp

I put 2 bases in the top of my workbench and I have 2 different style clamps (one with a 6” reach and one with a 3” reach).

You can see the bases in the picture of my workbench in my workshop section.

-- Rich, Cedar Rapids, IA - I'm a woodworker. I don't create beauty, I reveal it.

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Roger

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#3 posted 10-29-2010 03:34 PM

I got the blues,
I got the workbench blues,

There is no way to hold wood,
Give me somethin I could use

(more harmonica) hahahaha
Rock on hobomonk..

You could use a shooting board for smaller pieces. That is a nice looking older bench. Looks nice n stout.

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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BarbS

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#4 posted 10-29-2010 06:17 PM

Hairy- you don’t say what kind of work you wish to secure on the bench, but for most things, a homemade bench hook (see article:) http://tinyurl.com/24we2ey and a couple of standard hold-fasts http://tinyurl.com/26bcyy4 can do the job.

-- http://barbsid.blogspot.com/

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hairy

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#5 posted 10-29-2010 06:56 PM

The bench has 2 square dogs by the face vise.
Here’s an example of something that was difficult. This is a different bench.

That is the piece of catalpa I used to make this. I used a plane to flatten one side, then ran it through the planer to get the faces parallel. I want to be able to hold similar pieces , and not have clamps in the way of working on the top of the workpiece. Maybe wedges is the way to go. Thanks!

-- the last of Barret's Privateers...

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swirt

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#6 posted 10-29-2010 08:21 PM

Dog holes, dogs and wedges can do a LOT, and sometimes they can be faster than an end vise. They are certainly faster than the surface vise and wonderdogs. They just aren’t as glamorous.

In your log example above, a 4 dogs and a 2 wedges would secure that piece nicely. If you do a lot of that kind of work, then a planing stop that either fits into a pair of dog holes, or one that is attached and slides up and down at the end of the workbench would be a good addition.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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Wes Giesbrecht

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#7 posted 10-29-2010 08:33 PM

If you do a LOT of this type of work, a jointer would be damn handy :-)

-- Wes Giesbrecht http://www.wesgiesbrecht.com/index.htm

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helluvawreck

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#8 posted 10-29-2010 08:36 PM

Ouch, Hairy, Veritas doesn’t give those away do they? I use a couple of bench dogs and holdfasts but am not totally happy with them.

-- If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. Henry David Thoreau

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Eric_S

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#9 posted 10-29-2010 08:57 PM

My bench folds down and the supports are on the side so tail vice isn’t an option. However, I did find on FWW online a way to use a short threaded pipe clamp as a removable tail vice. http://www.finewoodworking.com/subscription/workshop/workshoparticle.aspx?id=32827
I haven’t gotten around to doing this to mine yet but plan to soon.

If you don’t have a membership, here is what they basically say. Drill a 3/4” hole for dog holes or at tail end of bench for vice. Then take a 1/2” pipe thread tap and tap threads in the holes. Now you can use a standard threaded 1/2” pipe clamp as a removable tail vice or holdfasts. I’m still unfamiliar how a 1/2” pipe would be secure in a 3/4” hole though.

-- - Eric Indianapolis, IN

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swirt

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#10 posted 10-29-2010 09:01 PM

Eric_S, 1/2” pipe is the inner diameter of the pipe ;) Though I think the outer diameter is a little bigger than 3/4” but I might be wrong about that.

-- Galootish log blog, http://www.timberframe-tools.com

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hairy

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#11 posted 10-29-2010 09:25 PM

Eric, if I have this mental picture right, that uses the bench top as the fixed end of the pipe clamp.

Ideally, a tail vise is what I need. I don’t think that will happen.

-- the last of Barret's Privateers...

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GaryK

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#12 posted 10-29-2010 09:34 PM

Glue? :-)

-- Gary - Never pass up the opportunity to make a mistake look like you planned it that way - Tyler, TX

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Eric_S

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#13 posted 10-30-2010 01:21 AM

The article is on their membership site, but the image isn’t.

http://www.finewoodworking.com/uploadedImages/Fine_Woodworking_Network/Image_Resources/Magazine/207/011207014_02-pipe-clamp-workbench_xl.jpg

Hopefully this will make more sense. You can use either end of the pipe clamp as long as the pipe is threaded.

-- - Eric Indianapolis, IN

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crank49

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#14 posted 10-30-2010 02:04 AM

I saw that article in FWW and plan to do that to my bench with two pipe vises. The top of the pipe vise clamping faces can be flush with the top of the bench, or above it as you desire. If they’re above the bench top you can lay a spacer plank on top to engage the workpiece with bench dogs on the opposite end of the workpiece to clamp against. I plan to add a 3/4” thick oak board with holes drilled in it and slipped over the pipes and screwed to the working side of the pipe clamp moving jaws. This will stick up above the bench top and act as the moving jaw of the vise. You only have a vise clamping range of about 3 inches, but with different sized spacers and dog hole locations you could cover a wide range of work. Can be done with threaded pipe flanges screwed to the bench instead of tapped holes cut into the bench as well, but you might have to saw off one side of the flange so it dosen’t stick up above the top and get in the way. I’m making mine out of 3/4” pipe clamp parts.

-- Michael :-{| “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― A H

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Roger

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#15 posted 10-30-2010 02:29 AM

good catch Barbs….. I really meant a bench hook, like you said, not what I said….......... whoopsie lol

-- Roger from KY. Work/Play/Travel Safe. Kentuk55@bellsouth.net

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