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04-06-2017 08:50 PM

I posted this in my other thread (http://lumberjocks.com/topics/214626 ), but I’m about to go and see a TS3650. It’s normally about an hour’s drive away, but I need to go there for other reasons so I thought I’d check it out.

The TS3650 is available for $250. The Jet CTAS-10 is available for $500 ($450 and seller will deliver, and if I pick it up, I’ll spend about that same amount in gas).

I have an extremely tiny shop, and my only way of getting 220v would be to get a 10/3 100’ extension cord from a dryer outlet. So those are two added expenses on the Jet. On the other hand, the R4512 I currently have is giving me trouble with the fence and I’d like to get rid of it. The cost of a mobile base plus a new extension cord would be $150 over the $500 of the Jet, making it a total of $650.

If the fence on the 3650 is good enough (and I’ll know when I see it) then I wouldn’t need to spend anything above that.

My R4512 is still under the return period, so I don’t have to worry about selling it, but time is running out on the 90 days.

Of course, I also need to get a jointer (must!) and a bandsaw (nice to have…)

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#1 posted 04-06-2017 10:15 PM

There’s not much comparison between the two saws IMO. The Jet is clearly the more robust saw and happens to have a great fence too. The Jet could use some clean up, and looks like it may have been heavily used, but if everything functions well, it could be a lifetime saw. It’ll cleanup well, and bearings can all be replace. Then there’s always the right tilt/left tilt debate. I’d check under neath for wear to the gears.

However, if the Jet won’t fit in your shop (or budget), the 3650 is a solid choice with a decent stock fence (if it’s included)....if the fence is included, there’s not much down side at $250. I’d want to find out what they mean by “Guide is missing”. There’s also little doubt in my mind that the 3650 fence and cast wings are a step up from your R4512 fence and steel wings. If your R4512 doesn’t have any other issues, you could swap the fence and wings from the 3650 to your R4512, then sell the 3650….with the odd fence and wings, I’d guess you could still get close to $200 for it, so the upgrade would be roughly $50 out of pocket.

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#2 posted 04-06-2017 11:13 PM

I can’t speak for the Jet, but I’ve had the Ridgid TS3650 for maybe 10 years, and it’s been a great saw. Left tilt, with a 36 inch rip capacity. And the Ridgid comes with the built in rollers. Moves easily.

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#3 posted 04-07-2017 12:45 AM

So I got the 3650. It’s an excellent saw, made in Taiwan, not China. The caster system is much better, and the fence actually locks into place. I paid $200, then 7.something% tax, and another 10% 60 day protection plan, in case it turns out to be a dud (not likely.. but it was only a bit more). The final bill was $238.

I’m going to return the R4512 now. It’s really nothing to write home about, especially after seeing the 3650. Of course, I’d have rather gone with the Jet, but I need to invest my money into getting more stuff (jointer, bandsaw, etc.) – I can cut wood perfectly fine with a mid-range (or even low-end) table saw, but I can’t resaw without a jointer or flatten boards very well without a jointer.

By “Guide” is missing, they meant “Guide” as in manual… oh dear..

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#4 posted 04-07-2017 12:52 AM

Jet saw all the way ,,,,,

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#5 posted 04-07-2017 12:54 AM

Congrats on your new saw. I’ve had the 3650 for about 15 years now and very happy. Good luck on the bandsaw and jointer journey.

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#6 posted 04-07-2017 02:11 AM

Congrats. That’s really a pretty nice deal on the 3650. In the end, it’s better to have a good saw and a good jointer or BS, than a great saw, and no jointer/BS! Get it aligned, and put a decent blade on it….another $30 will get you an Irwin Marples or Freud Diablo blade.

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#7 posted 04-07-2017 02:46 AM

Jet man here

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#8 posted 04-09-2017 12:10 AM

Wow, the 3650 is so much better than the 4512. I haven’t made a cut with it yet, but the fence locks, and I got the blade heeled dead-on in under an hour! – compare to the 4512 on which I had to spend an entire day to get it.. to 3-4 thou. I’m sure my 3650 isn’t perfectly heeled, but my HF dial gauge displays 0 at the same tooth both in front and back. Blade itself (Irwin Maples Combination) seems to have about a 3-4 thou runout itself, though.

It’s missing the spreader, some utility brackets, and there’s a bolt missing in one of the wheels:





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#9 posted 04-09-2017 02:56 AM

Your CTAS Jet looks exactly like mine… which I acquired for $100, but in much rougher condition. You can look at my rehab blog for a lot of pics. It is a solid 3 HP TS and the Biesemeyer is a VERY good fence.

Jet doesn’t list the CTAS repair parts for sale, but several of these parts are identical to those on the later JTAS saws and the parts guys at Jet were very good about helping me cross reference.

Shine a flashlight up into the cab door and down through the table slot and inspect the trunnion mechanism for any signs of broken/cracked castings. Mine has the end of one arm fractured off, but aside from losing the 45 degree tilt stop, it has no affect on the saw. Bearings are a standard size and readily available. I put segmented belts on mine.

Why not just add a new 20 amp breaker to your panel and wire a 12-2 Romex lie to the saw? It’s quite easy to do.

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#10 posted 04-09-2017 03:08 AM

Matt: I ended up going with the TS3650 ( not the jet :( – but from the pics, pretty good!). I had a chance to see a unisaw in person today (with the same 52” biesemeyer fence), and it wouldn’t have even fit in my shop.

We rent, and there is no breaker box. There’s a dryer plug and some other newer wiring, but the wiring to my shop (a 10×12 shed) is not grounded. We do plan to move soon, though.

-- John 14:6

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#11 posted 04-09-2017 03:16 AM

Missed that you already made your choice.

Your Rigid is really an Emmerson saw. Used to be branded by Craftsman and sold at Sears and is refered to as their 113 series. Craftsman went in a different direction with their offerings and then the line was picked up, and improved a bit and sold by Rigid.

The funny thing about all of this is that I sold my 113 Craftsman after finishing my CTAS rehab.

The 113 is a solid contractors saw, and I had mine dialed into within a couple thousandths and it held very true. I added the exact same Rigid mobile base to mine.

Rigid’s big improvement was totally enclosed (verses web) and ground castings for the extension wings and the router table hole.

You have a nice set up and will be well equipped to do good work with it. It’s not a cabinet saw, but lots of guys don’t have cabinet saws and do great work.

The things I appreciated most about my upgrade were:
1.) power... no more thin kerf blades… I have never stalled the 3 HP saw. no hesitation with a heavy 8” dado stack
2.) fence.... the 113 has a very good fence, but the full size extension let’s you accurately brake down full sheets on the TS.
3.) dust collection cabinet saws have a cabinet :^)
4.) mass ... passes the penny test

I suggest putting a segmented belt on your Rigid, as it will cut the vibration noticeably.

Enjoy your saw…. I loved my 113, and only upgraded because I got a deal I couldn’t refuse.

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#12 posted 04-09-2017 04:54 AM

From what I understand, Ridgid was bought by Ryobi, and so Emerson doesn’t really make their stuff anymore. Hence the enormous difference between the R4512 and the 3650.

I suppose if anyone’s in Reno, there’s a really good saw for a really good deal that’s only a 2 hour drive!

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#13 posted 04-09-2017 05:04 AM

From what I understand, Ridgid was bought by Ryobi

AFAIK, Ridgid is still owned by Emerson… and there is a (C)2017 Emerson copyright on the bottom of their web site pages. Although, a lot of the power tools they sell are also made by TTI, which owns Ryobi among others.

Cheers,
Brad

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#14 posted 04-09-2017 03:03 PM

Yep, according to Wikipedia, Emerson Electric still owns the Ridgid brand. However, the Ridgid TS3612 was the last of the Emerson made contractor saws. The 3650 was the first of the Ridgid contractor saws to be made by TTI/Ryobi . AFAIK, the current R4512 is made by Dayton.

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#15 posted 04-09-2017 03:47 PM

Interesting.. so the 3650 is a TTI saw and the 4512 isn’t, and neither of them are Emerson?

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