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John146

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04-04-2017 04:54 PM

Yet another possible candidate for replacing my R4512 and cashing out a bit (still on the return period, and I’m not overly happy with it).

He’s asking $450. It’s about an 80 mile drive either way. It seems like a good deal, but I’m not entirely sure about the extra blades and dados (look like a wobble set)

I’m not sure what the model is (sent him an email.. waiting for reply).

My main concerns are:

(1) How much power does this take?
(2) Does this have any kind of motor extrusion? I noticed that there’s some kind of box mounted, but that might be movable wherever—appears to be the power switch:

(3) This looks bulkier/bigger than the R4512, or is that just because he has the extension supported by legs. I’m in general wondering if I can disassemble it (i.e. at least remove the top) to move it in my SUV.

It’s yet another good deal that’s quite a drive away!

-- John 14:6


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MrUnix

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#1 posted 04-04-2017 05:14 PM

Appears to be an old CTAS-10, which essentially was an asian Unisaw clone. The commercial Biesemeyer fence is a nice upgrade. According to the manual, they shipped with either a 2hp single phase motor (dual voltage) or a 3hp three phase one. Since the ad claims it's a 3hp model, I’m guessing it will be three phase, which you could use to negotiate the price down. Similar to hauling any cabinet saw, the table is held on with 4 bolts, so can easily be removed (after the fence and rails are removed). Leave the blades out of the equation – used blades are just that, and more often than not, are usually pretty well trashed.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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toolie

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#2 posted 04-04-2017 06:00 PM

It’s a right tilt. That would rule it out for me.

-- there's a solution to every problem.......you just have to be willing to find it.

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#3 posted 04-04-2017 06:08 PM

Ahh, seems to be a good deal, if it’s still available. At 220V and with that power I’d need to get a 10/3 100’ extension cord ( :-( ), so maybe I can ask him to go down.

What’s bad about a right tilt table saw?

The reviews on this saw seem to be largely positive.

-- John 14:6

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#4 posted 04-04-2017 06:18 PM

Ahh, seems to be a good deal, if it s still available. At 220V and with that power I d need to get a 10/3 100 extension cord ( :-( ), so maybe I can ask him to go down.

What s bad about a right tilt table saw?

The reviews on this saw seem to be largely positive.

- John146

Nothing wrong with a right tilt machine… mostly personal preference. I prefer right tilt over my left tilt saws, but that’s just me. The one advantage to a right tilt machine is that the measuring tape on the fence remains accurate regardless of what width blade you put on there, particularly when using dado stacks.

Also, if it’s a three phase machine, you will need a bit more than just an extension cord – unless you happen to have three phase available where the saw will be. Otherwise, figure on another $200 or so for a VFD. Also, add another $50 or so for new belts and bearings. Always better to look at the price a the end of the road, rather than at the beginning of the journey :)

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#5 posted 04-04-2017 06:33 PM

Wow, I didn’t know 3-phase is so complicated… I’ll probably pass on this one. The search for a new TS continues…

-- John 14:6

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#6 posted 04-04-2017 06:40 PM

Wow, I didn t know 3-phase is so complicated… I ll probably pass on this one. The search for a new TS continues…
- John146

Complicated it isn’t… plug VFD into 240v wall outlet, then wire motor up to VFD (4 wires). Hardest part is figuring out where to mount the VFD. Plus, you get a lot of advantages with three phase that you could never get with a single phase machine, or even a straight three phase motor and power supply, and three phase motors are more robust and efficient. Plenty of posts here and elsewhere discussing all the advantages if you look around.

Cheers,
Brad

-- Brad in FL - In Dog I trust... everything else is questionable

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#7 posted 04-05-2017 01:49 AM

Maybe I’ll take it if he’s still selling it. The fence on the Ridgid is just horrible. I messed up several cuts today because the fence has a tendency to shift inwards, even after pushing to lock.

So the VFD is just a box that distributes the voltage over the different wires to provide three phases of power? I can see the benefits to this kind of thing, but overkill for what I need (I’m not frowning at the power of my current saw..). In any event, the added cost may well be worth saving the frustration (and lumber) of dealing with the Ridgid.

-- John 14:6

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#8 posted 04-05-2017 11:49 AM

Whether it is 3-phase or not, this is still a huge upgrade from the Ridged R4512. The fence on this table saw is the best in the business, and this saw will most likely outlive you, assuming you take care of it. Going from the 1.75HP Ridged to the 3HP cabinet saw is a huge upgrade.

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#9 posted 04-05-2017 12:37 PM

I think for $60 I would let him do the drive and deliver it.

-- Just a barn cat, now gone to cat heaven.

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#10 posted 04-05-2017 01:18 PM

That should clean up good. Take the rails off, the extension table and the wings and put it in your SUV. Negotiate your best price with him delivering. If it runs good and everything works give him 450 delivered to your shop.

-- mrg

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#11 posted 04-05-2017 04:23 PM

Wouldn’t I at least want to see the saw before buying it?

Also, where exactly would I buy a VFD? maybe I can ask him to sell the one he has already.

My wife has just upped my new TS allowance to $1000 after seeing my frustration with the Ridgid, but I’m not sure I want to spend so much ($1000) for a used saw, nor whether I can get a good cabinet saw for $1000. I understand all hybrids/contractors are more or less the same, so I’m not sure spending more on a “Better Hybrid” would get me anywhere.

-- John 14:6

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#12 posted 04-06-2017 06:14 PM

So… I called him, it’s still available, and it’s actually single phase.

However, another contender has entered.. on the opposite side of the cost spectrum:

I’m not sure what “guide” it’s missing – most likely the height adjustment lever (as there’s no photo on the ad for the front). I’m guessing this is mostly cosmetic (or so I hope)...

I’ve heard good things about the TS3650, and that it’s significantly better than the R4512 (except that the latter has a riving knife).

Does the 3650 have a good fence? or would it just give me the same grief as the R4512. Maybe the fence of the R4512 is just a dud? (though I hear the core issue is with how it locks). I suppose with the extra money I have left over, I can upgrade the fence and still have some left.

I also need to get a jointer… and a bandsaw … etc. etc.

Some pros for the 3650:

  • It has a mobile base, and in my current shop I need mobility
  • It’s 110, and I have no 220v in my current shop (would need to run a 220 extension for the Jet)
Cons:
  • Motor extrusion would be very difficult to manage in the shop. But the Jet is extra long as well, and I would likely need to resize one of my benches anyway.

We’re planning on moving to a bigger place soon, so the constraints of my current shop are not there to stay, so the Jet doesn’t need to be ideal for my current situation, only manageable—but that would include a mobile base.

So the Jet would end up running me +$70 for a mobile base, +$70 for the length of 10/3 220v extension cord. It’s a cost I would gladly swallow if that were the only one on the market. So ($70 base) + ($70 extension cord) + ($60 shipping) + ($450 saw) = $650

The TS3650 would just be $260 (incl. tax – the ad is from a store, not an individual) + ($300 fence) = $560. Of course, that’s if the 3650’s fence is no better (or worse?) than the one that I have now.

What’s the most economical option that will get me flat straight boards?

-- John 14:6

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#13 posted 04-07-2017 09:41 PM

I would get the Jet, to me its a no-brainer. As you progress in woodworking and as you get in to a bigger shop you will definitely outgrow that rigid and be looking again. The Jet could be the last saw you have to buy. If your budget is $1,000 I would be on my way to pick it up if I were you. The inconvenience of the extension cord is only temporary so get yourself that BIG BOY SAW! :)

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#14 posted 04-07-2017 10:21 PM

I’m probably not far from you. Man, where was this guy when I was shopping for a saw? I’d jump on that Jet.

I ended up buying a new one from Apex Saw in Reno.

-- Nunc est bibendum.

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John146

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#15 posted 04-08-2017 12:23 AM

I got the TS3650… the Jet would have been quite the ordeal.. So far I’m quite happy with the TS3650.. it’s probably not as nice as the Jet, but will do for now… I also need a jointer and bandsaw.

I love Apex Saw… I got my router extension from them, and I go to them for bits and such. The saw is likely still there. Part of me regrets not buying it.. but honestly I wouldn’t have had the space for it.

-- John 14:6

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