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rwe2156

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04-04-2017 01:50 PM

[RANT]

Screw engineer 1: “Hey, lets design our screws so they take 3 different size bits!”

Screw engineer 2: “Great idea. And how about this: design the bits so they’re rounded on the end AND they fit a little loose that way they will wobble all over the place when you run the screw in!”

Bit engineer: “Lets design a nifty little bit hold with a sleeve to prevent that”

User: “Crap, now where did I put that other bit…...(walking back to the shop cussing)

[/RANT]

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diverlloyd

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#1 posted 04-04-2017 01:54 PM

Welcome to the designed to fail philosophy that all started with the light bulb.

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Monte Pittman

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#2 posted 04-04-2017 02:09 PM

They should ban Phillips screws.

Yes, very loose tolerance on what is allowed.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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#3 posted 04-04-2017 02:11 PM

If you can’t GRK it:

Spax it:

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Nubsnstubs

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#4 posted 04-04-2017 02:22 PM

I give Torx another 10 years or so, and you’ll all be complaining about them like you’re complaining about Phillips today. I’ve watched people using a #1 Phillips screwdriver on a #2 screw, and wonder why it slips. I’ve even seen people try to stuff a #3 bit or screwdriver into a #2 screw. It’s not always the parts nor the tool. It’s the user. The only problem I’ve found with Phillips drivers is they wear out too soon…....... jerry (in Tucson)

-- Jerry (in Tucson) www.woodturnerstools.com

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UpstateNYdude

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#5 posted 04-04-2017 02:24 PM

Personally my favorite screw heads are square, I’ve never rounded one out and they always seem to fit tight with whatever bit comes in the box.

-- Nick, “I am always doing what I cannot do yet, in order to learn how to do it.” – Vincent Van Gogh

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Monte Pittman

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#6 posted 04-04-2017 02:28 PM

Jerry is correct, you “should ” use the right tool in the right screw. I do think that Phillips and flat blade screws lend themselves to improper tool use more than others.

I am a torx fan. As much as possible, that’s all I use.

-- Mother Nature created it, I just assemble it.

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bbasiaga

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#7 posted 04-04-2017 02:29 PM

And then you finally find that right bit and the screw head material is so soft it strips out anyway. Or you get all but the last two threads in the pilot hole and the top twists right off.

Brian

-- Part of engineering is to know when to put your calculator down and pick up your tools.

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#8 posted 04-04-2017 02:40 PM

No cam outs with the square ones as well:

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#9 posted 04-04-2017 02:54 PM

Come to Canada, the land of Robertson. The only place you find Phillips is in imports from USA.

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Manitario

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#10 posted 04-04-2017 02:56 PM

I’m not sure if it’s a Canadian thing, but you can only really buy Robertson (square) drive screws up here. They work great with minimal cam-out. I agree with the complaints about Phillips screws, I try to avoid ever having to use them.

-- Sometimes the creative process requires foul language. -- Charles Neil

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Woodchuck2010

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#11 posted 04-04-2017 03:08 PM

Spax has some good screws in many different drives. They have a Uni drive screw that takes either a #2 phillips OR square bit. I like the square.

-- Chuck, Michigan,

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AHuxley

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#12 posted 04-04-2017 03:22 PM


User: “Crap, now where did I put that other bit…...(walking back to the shop cussing)

- rwe2156

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GR8HUNTER

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#13 posted 04-04-2017 03:51 PM

LMAO ….not at you rwe …with you knowing exactly what you mean …...I do love square drive myself

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Fred Hargis

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#14 posted 04-04-2017 03:52 PM

I’ve long thought there should be a federal law banning slotted screws, and the only time phillips was allowed is on drywall screws (the cam-out helps with that application). While I’m not find of Torx, they do work well but with square you can have 3 drivers to cover like 90% of the screws, and then add a couple more for the rest, and they grip just as well as torx (my opinion) although with torx you an drive at a slight angle.

-- Our village hasn't lost it's idiot, he was elected to congress.

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#15 posted 04-04-2017 04:12 PM

Jerry; You can fix stupid!

-- "Now we are getting no where, thanks to me"

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