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03-24-2017 06:22 PM

Topic tags/keywords: tablesaw

I was previously contemplating replacing this R4512 with a Delta, but folks here convinced me that I wouldn’t be gaining that much.

I was browsing CL today and found a Jet JWTS-10 for $250. I was thinking about getting it and then returning the Ridgid. The R4512 (I paid $550 + tax) is still under the 90 day return period, so I would be freeing up about $300 for other tools/wood/life.

My question is whether the Jet is at least as good a saw (or better) than the Ridgid, or would I end up with other problems? would I need to upgrade the fence, and how much more can I expect to spend?

It would be a two hour drive, so I would need to be fairly certain I’m going to buy it before I actually head out.

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#1 posted 03-24-2017 06:29 PM

Thank you for the nice find.
I just bought it. Picking up in the evening as Sacramento is a couple hours from mee too..

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#2 posted 03-24-2017 06:34 PM



Thank you for the nice find.
I just bought it. Picking up in the evening as Sacramento is a couple hours from mee too..

- Carloz

Fair enough, removed the link. I’ve seen people post CL links in the past, and I thought a picture might provide more context.

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#3 posted 03-24-2017 06:46 PM

What’s wrong with the 4512?

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#4 posted 03-24-2017 06:56 PM

I can’t ever seem to get the fence positioned consistently. It’s likely due to the way it’s designed – and that’s even after pushing against the front rail before locking it into place. I’m not sure how much effective play there is: I’ve fussed with it enough so that it doesn’t affect the quality of cut too much, but it also sometimes leans a bit too much to the left, causing binding against the blade. Of course, if I adjust the fence more to the right, then the cut quality suffers because the range will be less centered.

I’m not crazy about the mobile base either; it requires considerable force to engage the rollers and when I let the saw down, it shakes the entire shop.

It took me forever to make a zero clearance insert for it, because I needed really thin materials and needed to make cleverly designed router templates. All a learning experience of course, but I’d rather be spending that time learning how to make actual furniture.

While I’m certainly not in love with it I can certainly live with it, but if I can get a similar or better saw for half the price and use what’s left over to save for a bandsaw, why not?


What s wrong with the 4512?

- MT_Stringer


-- John 14:6

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#5 posted 03-24-2017 08:10 PM

It should be a step in the right direction for less money, but you’d still have steel wings, a basic Jet Fence (not an Xacta fence), no riving knife, and an outboard motor.

There’s a Ridgid 3650 with a Biese Commercial fence for $250 that I’d be all over….solid cast wings, and a major fence upgrade. https://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/6041142355.html

There’s also a Jet Pro Shop shown for $399….could be worth a look for sure.
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/tld/6057106939.html

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#6 posted 03-24-2017 08:43 PM


It should be a step in the right direction for less money, but you d still have steel wings, a basic Jet Fence (not an Xacta fence), no riving knife, and an outboard motor.

There s a Ridgid 3650 with a Biese Commercial fence for $250 that I d be all over….solid cast wings, and a major fence upgrade. https://sacramento.craigslist.org/tls/6041142355.html

There s also a Jet Pro Shop shown for $399….could be worth a look for sure.
https://sacramento.craigslist.org/tld/6057106939.html

- knotscott

Is the TS3650 regarded as a better saw than the R4512 (doing some research, it appears the answer is yes)? In the first link he appears to indicate the saw is “missing” the fence. I always thought the fence came with the rails. Where would I get a fence to fit in the bar and how much would it cost me?

Should I be considering that I would need to get a new fence anyway to replace the Jet fence, or is the Jet fence considered “Good enough” or at least on par with the Ridgid’s – my goal now is not to upgrade my table saw, but get a bandsaw.

I might mention I also have the bench dog router table extension, so I already have a halfway cast iron surface.

The Proshop looks good but I actually need my saw to be able to roll around in the shop (no space).

I’m actually in NW Nevada, 150 miles east of Sacramento – so it’s a 2-hour drive and $20 in gas each way.

-- John 14:6

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#7 posted 03-24-2017 08:57 PM

Sorry, I missed that it was missing the fence….not a minor thing! Could cost a bit to replace that. Not worth $250 without the fence IMO. The 3650 is pretty well proven…it was the last version of the venerable Emerson and Ryobi made Craftman and Ridgid older style contractor saws. Motor hangs out the back, so it does take up another 12” or so.

The Jet Proshop could be easily put a on a mobile base. It’s no bigger than your R5412. The motor is inside on that one like your R4512, but is has a more powerful motor, is a more elegant design IMO, is built better, and has a better fence. Probably pre-riving knife, but they now make them with the riving knife, so it depends on how old it is….couldn’t really tell from the pics. The ad seemed a little wonky, but it’s a very nice saw if it checks out.

The Jet Fence on the contractor saw isn’t too bad IMO.

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#8 posted 03-24-2017 10:21 PM

Good thing you pointed out the motor extrusion. The extra 12” is very important. My shop is <<tiny>>. There’s about 16” of walking space on either side of the table saw, and I must wheel the saw over to the front of the shop to make any kind of substantial cut on stock longer than 16”. I also need to wheel the saw closer to one bench (if it can even be called that) or the other depending on where/what I’m working with:

Here’s the entire shop from the front corner:

The Proshop is sold by a pawn shop, so not a private seller. This means sales tax, plus the gas, plus the mobile base..

I almost jumped into my car to pick up the Contractor-style Jet, but the more I read, the more I realized it wasn’t that great of a saw. Now with heavy traffic due to snowstorms (and it being Friday), I’ll probably have to see it tomorrow—if it’s still there. It sounds like I’d be getting more or less the same saw (maybe slightly better?) for less buck.

My plan is to sell my current saw (either the R4512 or – I guess the Jet) in a year or two and upgrade to a nicer model. Right now I’m still collecting tools, and I think a bandsaw is next on my list, but I can’t seem to find a decent one under ~$400 (used) or under $600 (new).

I wonder if the JWTS-10 (the contractor saw) has a riving knife or not. It has a blade guard, so I’ll assume it has a riving knife too?

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#9 posted 03-24-2017 11:07 PM


I can t ever seem to get the fence positioned consistently. It s likely due to the way it s designed – and that s even after pushing against the front rail before locking it into place. I m not sure how much effective play there is: I ve fussed with it enough so that it doesn t affect the quality of cut too much, but it also sometimes leans a bit too much to the left, causing binding against the blade. Of course, if I adjust the fence more to the right, then the cut quality suffers because the range will be less centered.

I m not crazy about the mobile base either; it requires considerable force to engage the rollers and when I let the saw down, it shakes the entire shop.

It took me forever to make a zero clearance insert for it, because I needed really thin materials and needed to make cleverly designed router templates. All a learning experience of course, but I d rather be spending that time learning how to make actual furniture.

While I m certainly not in love with it I can certainly live with it, but if I can get a similar or better saw for half the price and use what s left over to save for a bandsaw, why not?
- John146

I see your frustration. Well, to be honest, the saw is not a light weight and that is a good thing for table saws. Mine weighs about 400#. Even though it is on a mobile base, I don’t move it around. Mainly because I don’t have any room to move it. An option would be to replace the base with a different type of mobile base.

As for the fence, can’t it be adjusted? The 4512 saw I used locked in place every time without issue. An option is to replace the fence with one like the Vega Fence. I put one on my old Craftsman table saw (1977). It made a tremendous difference in the performance of the saw.

As for the zero clearance insert, you could buy one and eliminate the frustration of making one and get on with using the saw.
Leecraft RG-5 Zero Clearance Insert…
http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/zero-clearancethroatplate.aspx

Good luck. Just trying to help.
Mike

Here’s my old Craftsman with the Vega Pro40 Fence. It dwarfed the saw but it was on sale and cheaper than the smaller or shorter fence.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#10 posted 03-24-2017 11:16 PM


... I wonder if the JWTS-10 (the contractor saw) has a riving knife or not. It has a blade guard, so I ll assume it has a riving knife too?

- John146

Nope….the JWTS-10 will have an old school splitter (and an outboard motor like the TS3650).

I think the Jet Proshop would be a nice step up for no additional cash outlay, if you returned your R4512. (assuming the saw checks out ok). It’s a decent hybrid design. Price is fairly low, leaving room some cash for a mobile base. The downside of any used saw is there is no warranty, and no return privileges, so you have to weigh out what’s important and what you want to do with it.

Here’s a pic of a what the older Proshop 708480K should look like:

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#11 posted 03-24-2017 11:50 PM

The extrusion is a deal breaker for me :( – I guess no big savings for me! I can see myself constantly bumping into it and getting frustrated, if not ruining the saw.

Thank you so much for bringing that to consideration!

For the Proshop – the more I read about it, it does look nice! – I’ll need to see if there’s a good reason to otherwise go to Sacramento. It’s quite a stressful drive with trucks on curvy mountain passes.

I figured saws weren’t designed to be constantly wheeled and then locked into place – though the equivalent Delta does it. I was about to get that one too (see my first thread) but then saw some other problems. The display model in Lowes isn’t as nice and sturdy as it once was – and while I understand that display models take abuse, it wasn’t exactly encouraging either.

I did see a nice Unisaw further away (3hr drive) for $500, but I don’t have the space or the electrical capacity. I think nice saws always pop up in more populated areas, but they’re quite a drive.

I’ll be on the lookout for more saws, will post ‘em here.

-- John 14:6

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