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harvey4804

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03-13-2017 02:54 AM

Topic tags/keywords: box joints drawer pull out drawers too big wood shrinker oops mistake salvage birch fml

Long story short,

I’m making 16 pull-out shelves for the in-laws. I’m making them as if they were drawers using box joint construction and full extension slides. The sides are solid 3/4 birch and the base is 1/2 birch ply. (per request)

Of the 16 drawers there are 5 different widths but they are all 22” deep overall

I just got done sanding them and they look beautiful for being my first time making drawers of this caliber. Unfortunately I some how completely forgot to subtract 1/2” for each slide (1” overall).

I was thing of trying to get away with using under mount slides or even notching for the side slides but that doesn’t leave much material to attach slides…

Is there a way to salvage this project or am I totally SOL?

Here is a SketchUp showing the overview and a modified cutaway view showing the joint dimensions and bottom location.

-- Ryan, FRMR HMM165 - HMX1 01-10


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#1 posted 03-13-2017 02:58 AM

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#2 posted 03-13-2017 03:02 AM

Been there done that. I made new drawers through gritted teeth.

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#3 posted 03-13-2017 03:04 AM

Thanks!
I have unlimited* vertical clearance, I’ll have to see if I can find some for 22” drawers.

-- Ryan, FRMR HMM165 - HMX1 01-10

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#4 posted 03-13-2017 03:06 AM

You could try cutting 1” off of one side, recutting the finger joints and reassembling.

The Blum undermounts are awesome, but they need 1/2” clearance under the drawer bottom and it’s easiest if you design everything around them. You might get lucky and be able to make them fit. Loot at the 563/563H.

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#5 posted 03-13-2017 03:22 AM

Undermounts aren’t going to work. They’re made for 21” depth “certain” side clearances, and most require 1/2” bottom space for the clips.
It would take a lot of modifications to make them work.

Only fix I could see without having to redo all the finger joints:
Notch out the back so that you could remove the bottom
Cut the drawer in half taking 3” out of the middle. Splice in a 2” wide piece of contrasting material.
Recut the bottom to fit and slide back in, secure it by nailing it to the back edge

In other words make it look like you wanted it that way.

EDIT:
Maybe add some design to the splice.

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#6 posted 03-13-2017 03:46 AM



Undermounts aren t going to work. They re made for 21” depth “certain” side clearances, and most require 1/2” bottom space for the clips.
It would take a lot of modifications to make them work.

Only fix I could see without having to redo all the finger joints:
Notch out the back so that you could remove the bottom
Cut the drawer in half taking 3” out of the middle. Splice in a 2” wide piece of contrasting material.
Recut the bottom to fit and slide back in, secure it by nailing it to the back edge

In other words make it look like you wanted it that way.

EDIT:
Maybe add some design to the splice.

- jbay

That’s a good idea!

-- Ryan, FRMR HMM165 - HMX1 01-10

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#7 posted 03-13-2017 03:56 AM

Are these pullouts behind doors? If so, did you consider the type of hinge? Depending on your answer, i might follow up. ....... Jerry (in Tucson)

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#8 posted 03-13-2017 03:57 AM

Is there enough tolerance on the sides for wood slides and a stop dado on the drawer? What are these fitting into?

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#9 posted 03-13-2017 04:10 AM



Are these pullouts behind doors? If so, did you consider the type of hinge? Depending on your answer, i might follow up. ....... Jerry (in Tucson)

- Nubsnstubs

yes these are behind doors. hinges are Blum® Compact Soft-Close BLUMotion Overlay Hinge. I think I can work around hinges by either cutting drawers shorter OR cutting a dado the width of the protruding part of hinge… if that makes sense?


Is there enough tolerance on the sides for wood slides and a stop dado on the drawer? What are these fitting into?

- builtinbkyn

these are going into face frame cabinets. although there is enough clearance on the sides, they (in-laws) specifically want a metal / roller / etc type slides as they will be getting a lot of use.

-- Ryan, FRMR HMM165 - HMX1 01-10

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#10 posted 03-13-2017 04:44 AM

This may be my answer…

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#11 posted 03-13-2017 05:28 AM

Watching (with interest!)

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#12 posted 03-13-2017 06:01 AM

I’ve got to build some really narrow, but long drawers. Every fraction of an inch counts. As such, I’m going to bury the slides 1/4” (probably more like 3/16”, to allow play between the drawer and the support) in the cabinet supports and the drawers. On drawers with 3/4” sides, that would leave 1/2” of drawer side. Of course, I’d have to notch the styles too to pull it off.

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#13 posted 03-13-2017 10:46 AM

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#14 posted 03-13-2017 02:20 PM

harvey4804,

You indicated that you have good clearance on each side of the drawers for undermount slides, if I read your subsequent response to some these posts correctly. If not, then some modification of the carcase and/or drawers could be required.

Like TungOil, I have noted that the undermount slides require ½” clearance from the underside of the drawer bottom to the bottom edge of the drawer. Your diagram shows only ¼” clearance. The front, back, and sides of the drawer boxes could be increased by gluing ¼” birch shim strips on the bottom edges of the drawer boxes. If the shim strip makes the drawer too tall, then some material would have to be removed from the top edges of the drawer boxes.

I suppose you could attempt to rout a ¼” deep channel on the underside of the drawer bottom to accept the slides. But that could be difficult and weaken the drawer bottom.

I use Knapp and Vogt MuV34 undermount drawer slides. These are designed for ¾” thick drawer boxes. The manufacturer offers a variety of lengths including a 22” slide (slide length). You can click on the Product Specifications and Installation instructions buttons and get an idea of the requirements for the carcase and the drawer boxes.

http://www.directdoorhardware.com/kv-muv-soft-close-undermount-drawer-slide-muvb34-22.htm

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#15 posted 03-13-2017 02:50 PM

Accuride makes a wonderful slide for this opps moment …...but for the life of me I cant remember the name or number of them …as we used mostly Blum slides in our cabinets …..GOOD LUCK :<))

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