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Marn64

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03-10-2017 11:02 PM

Topic tags/keywords: question drill-driver refurbishing

So I was removing the pinions from a really worn and bad shape millers falls no 5 egg beater drill and I think I might have shattered the bearing disc on the front gear, but it came out shattered, and it is possible it has been broken for years, considering the amount of gunk between the cracks on it. I may also may be missing some ball bearings, but I don’t know, this is my first tear down and restore of an eggbeater drill. Either way, the bearing disc is in pieces and I don’t know where to find a replacement. Finally, the pinions for the handle aren’t going anywhere and I was wondering how to get them out. Basically this drill is in super rough shape, it needs a new chuck, I need to graft some rosewood into a crack in the top knob, and it needs completely new japanning.



-- Benjamin, Milwaukee


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#1 posted 03-10-2017 11:35 PM

As you might imagine, this is not the first post on this site regarding the restoration/disassembly of a MF #5 drill.
Use the search box and enter your terms; I just tried it, and several relevant threads showed up on the first page of results.

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#2 posted 03-11-2017 12:24 AM



As you might imagine, this is not the first post on this site regarding the restoration/disassembly of a MF #5 drill.
Use the search box and enter your terms; I just tried it, and several relevant threads showed up on the first page of results.

- Johnny7


but there’s the problem, all of those topics say “just tap the pin out.” but I can’t. It looks peened at both ends.

-- Benjamin, Milwaukee

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#3 posted 03-11-2017 12:42 AM

These typically come out in one direction; meaning that one end is fatter than the other.

If a previous owner has F’ed up the pins on yours, then you have little choice but to grind one of the ends off using a mounted stone.

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#4 posted 03-11-2017 12:46 AM



These typically come out in one direction; meaning that one end is fatter than the other.

If a previous owner has F ed up the pins on yours, then you have little choice but to grind one of the ends off using a mounted stone.

- Johnny7


they may be messed up. Even if they aren’t I’m thinking they’re more trouble than they’re worth. What is the diameter of the steel pins and where can I find replacements?

-- Benjamin, Milwaukee

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#5 posted 03-11-2017 02:06 AM

I basically want to smash this thing at this point. Long story short, I got one of the two pins to move, but it is now stuck less than halfway through and won’t go any further. The other pin has both of it’s peened ends ground off but still won’t move one bit. And of course I scratched part of the ferrule on the 2nd pin when grinding. I have broken two punches trying to get it out. I’m gonna lay off this thing for a while, it’s just too frustrating….

-- Benjamin, Milwaukee

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#6 posted 03-11-2017 05:54 AM

Stopping short of demolition sounds like a wise choice.

Look—there are tools out there that have just plain been neglected/abused to the point that they’re not worth salvaging (or at least not worth the money and time it takes to revive them)

MF #5 drills were big sellers and exist out there in great numbers—wait for a better one.

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#7 posted 03-12-2017 01:07 PM



Stopping short of demolition sounds like a wise choice.

Look—there are tools out there that have just plain been neglected/abused to the point that they re not worth salvaging (or at least not worth the money and time it takes to revive them)

MF #5 drills were big sellers and exist out there in great numbers—wait for a better one.

- Johnny7

That, or now that you’ve gone this far keep going if you’re having fun and learn how they are put together. Find a punch or a similar piece of metal of the right diameter and use that to finish driving the stuck pin through. The thing is already really damaged so there’s not much risk of harm.

Also, LJ Woodcox has restored a lot of these drills you could try asking him.

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#8 posted 03-13-2017 08:28 PM

Benjamin,

The pin through the casting is the one you need to remove. The one through the ferrule just holds the handle to the shaft. If you got it half way through and can’t get it further, grind the peen off the end sticking out and knock it back in the other direction. You can replace it with common brazing rod or stainless bar stock.

The MF #5 seems to be a problem child when it comes to rehabbing but it’s well worth the effort IMHO. I have a box of parts from MF drills. I’ll give it a look tonight and see if I have extra bearing parts and if I have the pins that fit the shaft. If I do, you’re welcome to them.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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#9 posted 03-13-2017 11:07 PM



Benjamin,

The pin through the casting is the one you need to remove. The one through the ferrule just holds the handle to the shaft. If you got it half way through and can t get it further, grind the peen off the end sticking out and knock it back in the other direction. You can replace it with common brazing rod or stainless bar stock.

The MF #5 seems to be a problem child when it comes to rehabbing but it s well worth the effort IMHO. I have a box of parts from MF drills. I ll give it a look tonight and see if I have extra bearing parts and if I have the pins that fit the shaft. If I do, you re welcome to them.

- HokieKen


Thanks!

-- Benjamin, Milwaukee

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#10 posted 03-14-2017 12:51 AM

Here are my extra parts from #5s. Unfortunately, I think yours has different style thrust bearings. I have the pins you’re working on and the handle shaft if you should happen to damage it. Have extra pinions but would like to hang onto them unless you really need em. PM me if you need any of it.

-- Kenny, SW VA, Go Hokies!!!

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