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03-09-2017 01:47 PM

Topic tags/keywords: craftsman 100 delta table saw question

Here is yet another noob asking the experts for advice on table saws…

I’ve been a reader of the LJ forums for a while, but this is my first post. I’ll try to make this as short and sweet as possible. Recently took up the hobby and currently have a less-than-desirable, tiny Ryobi table saw that I picked up at a pawn shop. So far I’ve done a few shop projects (mini crosscut sled, rolling stand) and built a workbench. I’d like to grow my skills, but can’t see myself doing that with my current saw. I’ve been checking CL for an upgrade and have my sights set on an older Delta/Rockwell or Craftsman 100 belt-driven saw. I’m working with about half of a garage, a roughly 8’ by 20’ space, so a small footprint is a definite plus. I’ve found a few possibilities…

Craftsman 100
This saw seems to be in pretty good condition. Seller says it has a new 1 hp motor (that’s good) but from what I have been reading his asking price of $190 seems steep to me. Considering he’s a 2 1/2 hour drive away, I want to make sure I know what I’m getting before I go see it in person.

Craftsman Table Saw Oldie But Goodie
Another older Craftsman, but this one is a lot closer to me. I’m not scared of a little surface rust and the elbow grease necessary to remove it, but I’m concerned about the condition of the trunions, etc. because it appears to me that the saw has been mothballed for a while. Also, the price on this guy seems high as well.

Table Saw
Interesting paint job… Has cast iron extension, a bit of rust. I like the price tag in comparison with some of the other similar vintage Craftsman saws I’ve seen, but there’s a little voice in my head telling me it might need some work and I’m not confident in my ability to delve into a rebuild (maybe down the road). Also, is it just me or is the location of the power switch a bit odd? It looks like it might prevent the blade from being tilted a full 45 degrees.

Craftsman Table Saw
Sure is pretty with that paint job (wouldn’t be my first color choice, but anyway…) but if I’m shelling out $165 for a saw of this type I would expect it to have at least one cast iron wing.

“Delta 10””:https://eugene.craigslist.org/tls/6031478223.html
When I look at this saw I start to drool a bit. It looks like it’s been well cared for and every once in a while I’ll see one of these in my area, but they tend to sell very quickly. I know that the fence and rails are not everyone’s favorite, but they’ll do for me just fine for now. I won’t have the budget to upgrade them for a little while.

Ultimately I’d like to stay within the $200-250 range, or else my wife might throw me out. She’s got a birthday coming up at the end of the month and won’t be too happy if I’m lightening the bank account to buy myself a new toy. She’s already taken notice of my recent addiction to the “tools” section of Craigslist….

Any thoughts on the options above?

-- Sawdust....high in fat or low in fat?


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#1 posted 03-09-2017 02:10 PM

I’d be looking for a Craftsman 113. series saw w/ a 1.5 hp motor. They are common everywhere and usually go for cheap, put an aftermarket fence on it and you will have a very solid saw.

-- Bondo Gaposis

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#2 posted 03-09-2017 02:19 PM

+1 Bondo

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#3 posted 03-09-2017 02:45 PM

I’d buy the $60 one.

In the price range you’re at rip fences that
aren’t up to today’s standards are a given.

That Delta has, I think, a Jet-lock fence. Those
are not bad as older fences go.

All said though, if you don’t plan on ripping
down full sheets of plywood you don’t need
a big saw or a fancy fence.

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#4 posted 03-09-2017 02:51 PM

Any advice on finding the right 113? There are a ton of them and they run the gamut in price and condition. One in my area just sold for $40 (had quite a bit of rust) and there is this one that is posted for $350. Is there a certain model # for the 1.5 hp motor that I should be on the lookout for? It sometimes feels like pulling teeth when it comes to getting info about these saws out of the sellers.

-- Sawdust....high in fat or low in fat?

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#5 posted 03-09-2017 03:22 PM

This one looks to be a fair deal on a decent full size contractor saw with a decent fence. Could always offer $200 and see where it goes – https://bend.craigslist.org/tls/6028039554.html

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#6 posted 03-09-2017 03:27 PM

Craftsman saws always have the issue that
the castings and engineering are solid but
the accessories, fences and things, are
not so great compared to Delta. The 113
saws used, as far as I know, the same castings
and a lot of them have that yellow circle
in front of the blade. They are a great value
in a saw and there are a lot of them out there.

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#7 posted 03-09-2017 03:29 PM

I don’t like any of them.

For $300, I bought a reconditioned DeWalt compact table saw. It has a small table, but it works great.
and I bought a new Grizzly 1023RLW. It will last my lifetime and and someone else also.

Note there is quiet a bit of difference in the size of the two. The smaller one is carried to work outside of the shop…like 500 miles north to our kids newly purchased home.

And all of my tools are in a one car garage on casters or mobile bases so I can re-position them as needed. Not the best working conditions but I make do.

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#8 posted 03-09-2017 04:08 PM

Loren, That Craftsman you mentioned is really, really nice, but I think the rails would be a tad long for the space I’m in. If I had more room I’d be banging on his door to buy that one.

Mike, I LOVE the rack & pinion fence and I stop and play with them anytime I’m in the big box stores. I considered going with a Dewalt specifically for that feature and because of my space constraints. But I’m not comfortable with the limited space in front of the blade to get cuts lined up. Maybe that’s due to my inexperience, but the extra room up front that the older contractor saws gives you really appeals to me.

-- Sawdust....high in fat or low in fat?

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#9 posted 03-09-2017 04:51 PM


...That Craftsman you mentioned is really, really nice, but I think the rails would be a tad long for the space I m in. If I had more room I d be banging on his door to buy that one….

- Lego_Sox

You could always cut the rails down to where they fit your space better. You’d be way ahead with that saw with shorter rails than most of the others IMO. Heck, you could even take the left wing off if you needed to.

-- Happiness is like wetting your pants...everyone can see it, but only you can feel the warmth....

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#10 posted 03-09-2017 06:26 PM



...I’d like to grow my skills, but can’t see myself doing that with my current saw…..

Why do you assume that owing a new saw will make your skills any greater? I think you will grow your skills further if you sort of “struggle” in figuring out how to accomplish a task with the tools that you have. I still use the first saw that I bought; a portable Ridgid R4510. It’s done everything I’ve asked it too. Sure I’d love a new saw and can afford it but I don’t think it’s that important. I’m not trying to be argumentative or a pain, I just think that too much emphasis is put on high end, or fancy, tools. Learn the basics with what you have and go from there.

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#11 posted 03-10-2017 12:15 AM


...I’d like to grow my skills, but can’t see myself doing that with my current saw…..

Why do you assume that owing a new saw will make your skills any greater? I think you will grow your skills further if you sort of “struggle” in figuring out how to accomplish a task with the tools that you have. I still use the first saw that I bought; a portable Ridgid R4510. It s done everything I ve asked it too. Sure I d love a new saw and can afford it but I don t think it s that important. I m not trying to be argumentative or a pain, I just think that too much emphasis is put on high end, or fancy, tools. Learn the basics with what you have and go from there.

- ScottM

I do get what you’re saying, and to a certain extent I think that a skilled person can make up for less than ideal tools. I’m not necessarily looking for anything fancy, just a saw that is going to be a bit more enjoyable to use.

-- Sawdust....high in fat or low in fat?

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#12 posted 03-10-2017 12:21 AM

We have been here at our kids house for a few days. Doesn’t look like I will need my saw after all. The previous owner was a contractor and the shop is huge. He left his table saw for us to use but will come get it eventually. They are just next door remodeling a house. Downsizing all of their stuff.

The table saw is an old Delta that has been in his family a long time. He brought it over from Hawaii many years ago. Today I swapped out the blade for one of mine. The saw has a cast iron bed with metal extensions…and a huge outfeed/assembly table. Like I said, this shop is a big one. It is roughly 48 feet deep, and more than that wide. And that is only the front part. He had two car lifts and automotive stuff and a motor home in the rear portion of the shop. I get tired just walking back and forth to my tool box! :-(

So it doesn’t matter what saw you use if it works properly, and the fence is accurate. This particular saw has a Unifence on it. Locks straight every time.


-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#13 posted 03-10-2017 12:24 AM

If I had a shop that big I’d never leave the house… :-)

-- Sawdust....high in fat or low in fat?

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#14 posted 03-10-2017 12:28 AM



If I had a shop that big I d never leave the house… :-)

- Lego_Sox

You got that right!

-- Handcrafted by Mike Henderson - Channelview, Texas

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#15 posted 03-10-2017 12:34 AM



This one looks to be a fair deal on a decent full size contractor saw with a decent fence. Could always offer $200 and see where it goes – https://bend.craigslist.org/tls/6028039554.html

- knotscott

I contacted the guy and he says he’s selling it because it was handed down to him and he’s got 2 others exactly like it. If that’s the case….Maybe I’ll throw $200 at him and see what he says. I would hate to have to hack off part of the fence rails, something about that just doesnt feel right, especially if someone else out there could benefit from that capacity and is looking for a good 113 themselves. But I would have to trim them up to fit in the space I have.

-- Sawdust....high in fat or low in fat?

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